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Evolution may be banned in US schools
Press Association
Saturday January 31, 2004 5:33 AM


"he word "evolution" will be removed from school books in the deep south of
the United States under a new proposal.

The schools superintendent for Georgia, Kathy Cox, has called for the
universally-accepted scientific term to be removed from the curriculum.

Ms Cox said she made the suggestion to avoid offending parents of children in
more religious, conservative parts of the state.

The theory, pioneered by Charles Darwin, has for years caused controversy in
deeply religious parts of the United States, as it appears to question the
Bible's version of the Creation.

Some people would prefer that the Christian version be taught, rather than
the scientific one.

"If teachers across this state, parents across this state say, 'This is not
what we want,' then we'll change it," said Ms Cox, a Republican who was
elected to the post in 2002.

But the proposal to eradicate the word has drawn criticism, including from
former President and Georgia resident Jimmy Carter.

He called the move an "embarrassment".

He said in a statement: "As a Christian, a trained engineer and scientist,
and a professor at Emory University, I am embarrassed by Superintendent Kathy
Cox's attempt to censor and distort the education of Georgia's students."

The state Board of Education will vote on the proposal in May."

In other words, uscitizen, the Poles have only a stupid president but you
have not only...


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    • Gość: wacko jacko Re: the latest from the leading nation!!! IP: *.nyc.rr.com 31.01.04, 16:56
      The proposal is already under fire and has a slim chance of being implemented.
      The story you've presented has a lot of holes. For example it says that the word
      "evolution" will be permanently removed from the curriculum but it fails to
      inform you that it will be replaced by the term "biological changes over time."
      The story gives the impression that evolution will not be taught in Georgia
      schools anymore. That is false. Georgia Board of Education has a limited power
      over the local school boards which are quite independent. The US Department of
      Education has no power whatsoever.
      www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,109939,00.html
      • Gość: erwas Re: the latest from the leading nation!!! IP: *.sulphurcanyon.com 05.02.04, 18:30
        that's a great response to blind prejudice and selective generalizations, wacko
        jacko.
        the American political process and its consequences are often difficult to
        understand for Europeans. the same kind of fanatics and extreemists live on
        both sides of the Atlantic. American democracy demands more sensitivity to
        public opinion, which allows populist opportunists to ride the waves of some
        pretty nasty sentiment. for example: there is little difference between support
        for the death penalty in most European countries (which ban it) to the US (the
        last "civilized" country which executes its citizens and even keeps children on
        death row). yet most European countries have paternalistically imposed
        (various) laws "for the good of their own people", which overide the nasty
        majority's wishes and adopt decent and humane attitudes which their population
        often do not support.
        the other major factor in the US are of course powerful lobbying groups, which
        often do not represent public opinion, but which dictate policy.
        however, your point, wacko jacko, about the Georgia Board of Education and the
        US Department of Education overlooks the fact that local school ditricts,
        driven by imbecile local school district boards are likely to support even more
        bizzare policies than the other authorities could even dream of.
    • Gość: leniuch Re: the latest from the leading nation!!! IP: *.cvx-h.dial.de.ignite.net 31.01.04, 22:30
      "A fool believes everything." English proverb
      • chickenshorts Re: the latest from the leading nation!!! 01.02.04, 23:08
        Gość portalu: leniuch napisał(a):

        > "A fool believes everything." English proverb

        Indeed!
        Btw, I have a question to our American friends here. Does any of you happen to
        know if there has been any noticeable increase in a certain speech impediment
        among the citizens of your country? I know it's a bizzare question, to say the
        least, but let me explain... Or, better still, let me share this article with
        you which should explain the reason for asking the above.

        The Year of the Fake



        Don't think and drive.
        That was the message sent out by the FBI to roughly 18,000 law enforcement
        agencies on Christmas Eve. The alert urged police pulling over drivers for
        traffic violations, and conducting other routine investigations, to keep their
        eyes open for people carrying almanacs. Why almanacs? Because they are filled
        with facts--population figures, weather predictions, diagrams of buildings and
        landmarks. And according to the FBI Intelligence Bulletin, facts are dangerous
        weapons in the hands of terrorists, who can use them to "to assist with target
        selection and pre-operational planning."
        But in a world filled with potentially lethal facts and figures, it seems
        unfair to single out almanac readers for police harassment. As the editor of
        The World Almanac and Book of Facts rightly points out, "The government is our
        biggest single supplier of information." Not to mention the local library: A
        cache of potentially dangerous information weaponry is housed at the center of
        almost every American town. The FBI, of course, is all over the library threat,
        seizing library records at will under the Patriot Act.
        The blacklisting of the almanac was a fitting end for 2003, a year that waged
        open war on truth and facts and celebrated fakes and forgeries of all kinds.
        This was the year when fakeness ruled: fake rationales for war, a fake
        President dressed as a fake soldier declaring a fake end to combat and then
        holding up a fake turkey. An action movie star became governor and the
        government started making its own action movies, casting real soldiers like
        Jessica Lynch as fake combat heroes and dressing up embedded journalists as
        fake soldiers. Saddam Hussein even got a part in the big show: He played
        himself being captured by American troops. This is the fake of the year, if you
        believe the Sunday Herald in Scotland, as well as several other news agencies,
        which reported that he was actually captured by a Kurdish special forces unit.
        It was Britain, however, that pushed the taste for fake to new levels. "Her
        main aim is to meet as many Nigerians as she can," the Queen's press secretary,
        Penny Russell, said of the monarch's December trip to Nigeria. But just as Bush
        never made it out of the airport bunker in Baghdad, the Queen's people decided
        it was too dangerous for her to mingle with actual Nigerians. So instead of the
        planned visit to an African village, the Queen toured the set of a BBC soap
        opera in New Karu, constructed to look like an authentic African market. During
        the "fake walkabout," as the Sunday Telegraph called it, the Queen chatted with
        paid actors playing regular villagers, while actual villagers watched the event
        on a large-screen TV outside the security perimeter.
        But 2003 was about more than embracing fakery and forgery--it was also about
        punishing truth-telling. The highest price was paid by David Kelly, the British
        government weapons expert who killed himself after he was outed as the source
        of a BBC story on "sexed up" security documents. Katharine Gun, a British
        intelligence employee, faces up to two years in prison for revealing US plans
        to spy on UN diplomats in order to influence the Security Council vote on Iraq.
        And in the United States, Joseph Wilson, who told the truth about finding no
        evidence of Saddam's alleged uranium shopping trip in Africa, was punished by
        proxy: His wife, Valerie Plame, was illegally outed as a CIA operative.
        While truth did not pay in 2003, lying certainly did. Just ask Rupert Murdoch.
        According to an October study conducted by the Program on International Policy
        Attitudes, when it comes to the war in Iraq, regular watchers of Murdoch's Fox
        News are the most misinformed people in America. Eighty percent of Fox News
        watchers believed either that weapons of mass destruction have been found in
        Iraq, that there is evidence of an Iraq-Al Qaeda link or that world opinion
        supported the war--or they believed all three of these untruths.
        On December 19 the Federal Communications Commission gave Murdoch the right to
        purchase the top US satellite broadcaster, DirecTV. The FCC vote took place
        just five days before the FBI's almanac bulletin, and they can best be
        understood in tandem: If books that fill your brain with facts make you a
        potential terrorist, then media moguls who fill your brain with mush must be
        heroes, deserving of the richest rewards.
        When Bush came to office, many believed his ignorance would be his downfall.
        Eventually Americans would realize that a President who referred to Africa
        as "a nation" was unfit to lead. Now we tell ourselves that if only Americans
        knew that they were being lied to, they would surely revolt. But with the
        greatest of respect for the liar books (Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them,
        Big Lies, The Lies of George W. Bush, The Five Biggest Lies Bush Told Us About
        Iraq et al.), I'm no longer convinced that America can be set free by the truth
        alone.
        In many cases, fake versions of events have prevailed even when the truth was
        readily available. The real Jessica Lynch--who told Diane Sawyer that "no one
        beat me, no one slapped me, no one, nothing"--has proven no match for her media-
        military created doppelgänger, shown being slapped around by her cruel captors
        in NBC's movie Saving Jessica Lynch.
        Rather than being toppled for his adversarial relationship to both the most
        important truths and the most basic facts, Bush is actively remaking America in
        the image of his own ignorance and duplicity. Not only is it OK to be
        misinformed, but as the almanac warning shows, knowing stuff is fast becoming a
        crime.
        It brings to mind the story about why Castilian Spaniards pronounce gracias
        as "grathiath." In the seventeenth century, the country was ruled by a monarch
        with a severe speech impediment and a fragile ego. To flatter the ruler, it was
        decreed that everyone should imitate the king's lisp and mispronounce their c's
        and s's.
        According to all reputable linguists, the legend is a complete fake. But in
        Bush's America that should hardly matter."

        Well? I mean, how are you pronuncing 'w', jacko?



        • cozac The most amazing is... 05.02.04, 18:52
          The most amazing thing is that you, dear Polish fellows, discuss America
          and "American life"so much . Why do you fucking care, explain that to me ???
          An average American doesn't even know where Poland is, doesn't give shit what
          Poles do or think whatsoever.
          So, maybe it is about time to forget about stupid Americans and their
          miserable , little life and focus on your own problems?
          For your own fucking good?
          • cozac and so on 05.02.04, 19:11
            And still, you want to join the Visa Waiver Program, your fucking president
            comes to Washington DC to discuss" political issues" and begs Bush to let
            Poland into VWP instead. Why?
            You join Americans in Iraq, you kiss American ass any time you have a chance.
            Why? Why?
            Why would you care to come to this stupid country full of stupid people, who
            don't even want to acknowledge "evolution"?
            You, smart, educated Europeans want to come over here? What the fuck for?
          • Gość: erwas Re: The most amazing is... IP: *.sulphurcanyon.com 06.02.04, 00:34
            > Why do you fucking care, explain that to me ???

            leading nation innit?

            > An average American doesn't even know where Poland is, doesn't give shit

            an average American not only doesn't know where Poland is. an average American
            doesn't know where America is, so let's not feel slighted and singled out.

            why pay attention to America?
            so as not to pay the price of not paying attention to America.
            so as not to be like so many Americans, ignorant of both their own country and
            the world around them.




            • Gość: wacko jacko Re: The most amazing is... IP: *.nyc.rr.com 06.02.04, 04:01
              Bull shit. Every American knows where America is.
              It is below Canada and above Mexico.
              LA is on the left coast and NY is on the right coast.
              Either way nobody gives a shit.
              Who cares
              • Gość: erwas Re: The most amazing is... IP: *.sulphurcanyon.com 06.02.04, 04:44
                in a survey a year (or so) ago a majority of High School seniors from a
                district in Texas could not name the country to the south of the US.
                • Gość: wacko jacko Re: The most amazing is... IP: *.nyc.rr.com 06.02.04, 05:32
                  didn't I write below instead of the south and above instead of the north.
                  The question was not precise enough.
            • cozac The truth is different 06.02.04, 14:21

              The truth is different.
              You Poles are madly in love in America and every aspect of it.
              You just cannot admit that because America doesn't give a shit about you.
              Never did, never will.
              You want to make yourselves fill better writing this stupidly sarcastic shit.
              It doesn't work sunny boy !

              PS
              By the way: Where do you live ? Europe? It looks to me like USA....
    • cozac No, evolution won't be banned 05.02.04, 19:24
      ATLANTA - Georgia's school superintendent Thursday dropped plans to remove the
      word "evolution" from the state's high school science curriculum.
      "I will recommend to the teacher teams that the word `evolution' be put back in
      the curriculum," Kathy Cox said in a statement.
      Cox said she originally wanted to replace "evolution" with the
      phrase "biological changes over time" to avoid controversy.
      "Instead, a greater controversy ensued," she said.
      The proposal drew widespread criticism. Former President Carter said it exposed
      the state to nationwide ridicule.
      The proposed change was included in more than 800 pages of draft revisions to
      the curriculum that have been posted by the state Education Department on its
      Web site.

      Instead, I highly recommend this reading:

      - Obecność polskich wojsk w Iraku ma pozytywny wydźwięk moralny - powiedział
      abp Józef Życiński

      Tak skomentował pomysł Ligi Polskich Rodzin, która chce powołania specjalnej
      komisji sejmowej dla zbadania przyczyn udziału polskiego wojska w operacji w
      Iraku. Zdaniem metropolity lubelskiego nasza solidarność z cierpiącymi znajduje
      szczególny wyraz właśnie w obecności w Iraku żołnierzy z kraju, którego
      przedstawiciele przez wieki żyli zasadą: "Za wolność naszą i waszą".

      - Gdyby w Iraku po obaleniu reżimu Husajna zabrakło pomocy innych państw,
      nastąpiłaby wojna domowa jak w Ruandzie - stwierdza metropolita lubelski.
      Przypomina, że z opracowań ONZ wynika, iż gdyby do Ruandy posłano 2,5 tys.
      żołnierzy, uniknięto by masakry, która pochłonęła życie 800 tys. osób. - Trudno
      mi zatem zrozumieć argumenty tych środowisk, które twierdzą, że Irak nas nie
      obchodzi, nas interesuje tylko Polska - mówi arcybiskup. - Dla chrześcijanina
      tego typu argumenty są absolutnie nie do przyjęcia.

      Nie chcąc dociekać, jakie argumenty skłoniły LPR do podjęcia takiego stanowiska
      w odniesieniu do naszego zaangażowania w Iraku, abp Życiński zwraca uwagę, że
      obserwując dyskusje toczone na forum wielu portali internetowych,
      zauważa "kiepsko ukrywane sympatie do Husajna", które wynikają z tego, że był
      on wrogo nastawiony do Izraela. - Wtedy osobista niechęć do środowisk
      żydowskich wystarczy do prób usprawiedliwiania reżimu, który był żenująco
      prymitywną formą sprawowania władzy - podkreśla metropolita lubelski.

      Nie chcąc komentować politycznych planów LPR, abp Życiński zwraca uwagę na to,
      że istnieje wiele innych środowisk, które mówią głosem bliższym głosowi
      Kościoła.








    • Gość: wacko jacko Who's in charge? IP: *.nyc.rr.com 06.02.04, 04:13
      Instead of bullshitting us with a left wing gibberish, think hard.

      The Supreme Court of the People's Republic of Massachussetts ruled on gay
      marriage and ordered the state legislature to pass a new law and do it fast.
      What if the legislators refuse to act? After all judiciary is equal to the
      legislative branch. Can court jail the legislators?

      And you telling me about the Patriot Act? Look again.


      • chickenshorts Re: Who's in charge? 06.02.04, 14:27
        > Instead of bullshitting us with a left wing gibberish, think hard.

        addressing me? how do you tell left wing gibberish from right-winged? ah, it
        doesn't descend from what descended from Murdoch's arse: fox-news...

        > And you telling me about the Patriot Act? Look again.

        me telling you nothing. you beyond repair. only thing me telling you was asking
        how you pronuncing 'w'?

        cozac napisał:
        > Instead, I highly recommend this reading:

        instead of what? judging by your provious trolling, cozacze, I shall ignore
        your recommendations... nothing but personal!

        the truth is you are a troll.

        • cozac Re: Who's in charge? 06.02.04, 15:10
          And that's what you shall do.
          Ignore America, ignore American politics, ignore American people and their
          lifes.
          Don't worry, they couldn't care less about you, they NEVER will. ( Unless they
          happend to tell each other polish jokes).
          Instead, focus on your own Polish dump,you are in the middle of it so you
          better get busy soon.
        • Gość: wacko jacko Re: Who's in charge? IP: *.nyc.rr.com 06.02.04, 15:41
          Dear chckenshorts,
          I see you couldn't find anything to copy and paste (like you've done with a
          piece by Naomi Klein) as an answer to a constitutional question.

          How do I pronounce 'w' ? I don't know how to explain it.
          You know what, stick you thumb up your asshole and fart at the same time.
          That's how I pronounce 'w'. For a capital 'W' stick two fingrs and fart harder.

          Sincerely yours
          wacko jacko
          • Gość: erwas now I remember IP: *.sulphurcanyon.com 06.02.04, 15:57
            > You know what, stick you thumb up your asshole and fart at the same time.

            NOW I remember why I stopped reading this forum for a year or so.
            • chickenshorts Re: now I remember 06.02.04, 16:38
              Gość portalu: wacko jacko napisał(a):

              > Dear chckenshorts,
              > I see you couldn't find anything to copy and paste (like you've done with a
              > piece by Naomi Klein) as an answer to a constitutional question.

              Cheap Whack,
              there was a time when I bothered my darling head... so as not to copy &
              paste... To every/most of your querries or questions I tried to respond with
              what I considered an apposite posting but you failed to be reasonable despite
              your 'appeal' for reasoned debate... Now, whenever I post something critical,
              no matter how trivial and forum-my, you jump as though in self-defence... If
              you are so stupid as to identify yourself with my 'target'... then cut and
              paste is what you get. Plus, when you counter with fox-news you cannot expect
              any serious treatment...

              > How do I pronounce 'w' ? I don't know how to explain it.
              > You know what, stick you thumb up your asshole and fart at the same time.
              > That's how I pronounce 'w'. For a capital 'W' stick two fingrs and fart
              harder.
              >
              > Sincerely yours
              > wacko jacko

              so, where are the WMD? and how is mr Lay?


              Gość portalu: erwas napisał(a):

              > > You know what, stick you thumb up your asshole and fart at the same time.
              >
              > NOW I remember why I stopped reading this forum for a year or so.

              Oh, you are so sensitive... Poor darling.
              • Gość: erwas Re: now I remember IP: *.sulphurcanyon.com 06.02.04, 16:53
                > Oh, you are so sensitive... Poor darling.

                true.
              • Gość: wacko jacko Re: now I remember IP: *.nyc.rr.com 06.02.04, 19:14
                The Supreme Court of the People's Republic of Massachussetts ruled on gay
                marriage and ordered the state legislature to pass a new law and do it fast.
                What if the legislators refuse to act? After all judiciary is equal to the
                legislative branch. Can court jail the legislators?

                • Gość: erwas did you forget? IP: *.sulphurcanyon.com 07.02.04, 04:35
                  and paste the same piddly crapoid a second time.

                  this issue, BTW, is such a break for you Rash Limbo ditto heads. W, the
                  smirking chimp selected to lead the greatest nation on earth, can now step
                  aside from all the issues which were converging on him and rouse all you wanker
                  jackoffs to new dithering hights of moral certitude with hand wringing homilies
                  on the sanctity of marriage.

                  the homophobic shortcut to a second term.
                  • Gość: wacko jacko Re: did you forget? IP: *.nyc.rr.com 07.02.04, 05:24
                    I knew it. You've missed the point by a mile.
                    It's not a gay marriage. I couldn't care less.
                    It's the court usurping the role of a legislative body.
                    For a moment I thought you were a smart person. I guess I was wrong.
                    Obviously you have a troble to grasp the subject. Sorry.

                    • Gość: erwas Re: did you forget? IP: *.sulphurcanyon.com 08.02.04, 03:18
                      > Obviously you have a troble to grasp the subject. Sorry.
                      thank you for your compassion.


                      > It's not a gay marriage. I couldn't care less.
                      oh yeah?! well let's get your take on this:


                      Robin McKie, science editor
                      Sunday February 8, 2004
                      The Observer

                      As gays go, Roy and Silo are not unusual. They cohabit, are affectionate in
                      public and have been inseparable for years. Only their species marks them out.
                      The New York pair are chinstrap penguins.

                      Every day at Manhattan's Central Park Zoo the two males entwine necks, vocalise
                      to each other and have, er, sex. When offered female companionship, they
                      decline.

                      Roy and Silo have even displayed urges to procreate, and once tried to hatch a
                      rock. Finally their keeper, Rob Gramzay, gave them a fertile egg from another
                      brood. Tango, their chick, was born later. The pair raised it lovingly. 'They
                      did a great job,' admits Gramzay.

                      According to a study of the penguins released this weekend in the New York
                      Times, Milou and Squawk - another pair of Central Park's male chinstraps - have
                      started hanging out together, billing and bowing. At the New York Aquarium on
                      Coney Island, Wendell and Cass - male blackfoot penguins - are a devoted
                      couple.
                      • Gość: wacko jacko Re: did you forget? IP: *.nyc.rr.com 08.02.04, 04:16
                        erwas, I don't care. Gay penguins are as normal or abnormal as gay men or gay
                        women. The only difference is that penguins don't have a political agenda.

                        I have an issue with the activist courts hijacking the legislative process.
                        After all it supposed to be a representative republic. The tyrany of the majority.
                        This is the first time the court ORDERS the legislature to pass the law.
                        Doesn't it scare you ?

                        I hope this time you finally get it.


                        • Gość: erwas Re: did you forget? IP: *.sulphurcanyon.com 08.02.04, 05:44
                          > This is the first time the court ORDERS the legislature to pass the law.
                          > Doesn't it scare you ?
                          >
                          > I hope this time you finally get it.

                          look wacko jacko, you really are tiresome with this right-wing tizzy of yours.
                          you listen to this hate-mongering garbage and just swallow it without question.
                          the problem occurs when you pester people with you phobias. no such thing as
                          your fevered imagination has produced did occur. OK?
                          back in Novenber the court did decide that homosexual couples are entitled to
                          wed under the state constitution and should be allowed to apply for marriage
                          licences. the court DID NOT say they should be granted marriage licences. it
                          DID order the state legislature to come up with a solution within 180 days.
                          the court behaved correctly, even if that upsets Rush Limbaugh, by noting that
                          the law as it stands is not compatible with the state constitution. that's all
                          that happened. now relax, have another Bud Lite, turn off CNN.
                          • Gość: wacko jacko You are really a piece of work ! IP: *.nyc.rr.com 08.02.04, 10:03
                            Amazing. You have all the dots yet you are unable to connect them.
                            I try once again.
                            It doesn't matter what the pretext is. Lets say that court ORDERED the
                            legislature to FORBID gay marriages once and for all and do so in 180 days.
                            I still have a problem with it. It is up to a legislature to pass the laws. The
                            role of the courts is to examine the constitutionality of such laws and voice
                            the opinion. The court cannot voice the opinion out of the blue. There is a
                            whole judicial process which has to be followed. It means that there has to be a
                            plantiff and the defendant. It also means that the case has to go through
                            the lower courts before it can be considered before the Supreme Court.
                            After that the ruling of the Supreme Court may set the precenent which becomes
                            the law of the land. All that is not possible without the case before the court.
                            As an equal branch of the government the court CANNOT order the legislature to
                            do anything. I really hope this time you'll get it.

                            Best wishes
                            wacko jacko



                            • Gość: erwas this IS scary IP: *.sulphurcanyon.com 08.02.04, 17:52
                              critical thinking: do not take what you hear from your most favorite sources
                              and assume it is correct. verify your information from other sources, even if
                              they do not tow the line of your preferred political agenda.

                              Gość portalu: wacko jacko napisał(a):
                              > It doesn't matter what the pretext is. Lets say that court ORDERED the
                              > legislature to FORBID gay marriages once and for all and do so in 180 days.

                              the court (I repeat, this time pay very, very careful attention) DID NOT (!!!!)
                              order the legislature to pass a law permitting homosexual marriages. this
                              should not be either difficult to understand or verify. a simple fact reported
                              in the media. no agenda. just in case this seems difficult to comprehend let me
                              repeat: the court did not order the legislature to permit homosexual marriages.
                              OK?
                              are we past this point.
                              your whole case rests on the assumption that the court DID order the
                              legislature to permit homosexual marriages. this is not how the system works.
                              what the court did was to point out to the legilature that it was acting
                              against the constitution and ORDERED it to make a decision within the
                              constitution.

                              what is left for the extreeme right wing is to try to change the constitution.
                              the chances are that they might succeed.
                              let me qute you something from a spokesman of one of those organizations (yes,
                              I do read right wing material)Tony Perkins, The Family Research Center:
                              This is THE wake-up call for both the American public and our elected
                              officials. If we do not amend the Massachusetts State Constitution so that it
                              explicitly protects marriage as the union of one man and one woman, and if we
                              do not amend the U.S. Constitution with a federal marriage amendment that will
                              protect marriage on the federal level, we will lose marriage in this nation.

                              so you see even Tony is aware that the judiciary can not order the legilature
                              to permit gay marriage. all the judiciary can is order the legislature to obey
                              the constitution. and the only way for all homophobes who want to control other
                              peoples lives to get their way is to change the constitution.
                              now that you have a selected (not elected) leader, massive erosion of human
                              rights and of the very democratic process itself, right wing fanatics are
                              arguing for the alteration of the constitution.

                              Gość portalu: wacko jacko napisał(a):
                              > I still have a problem with it. It is up to a legislature to pass the laws.
                              > The role of the courts is to examine the constitutionality of such laws and
                              > voice the opinion.

                              so this is what has happened. you are spreading misinformation by insisting
                              post after post that the judiciary ordered the legilature to pemit gay marriage.

                              > There is a whole judicial process which has to be followed.
                              > It means that there has to be a plantiff and the defendant.

                              you somehow missed that bit. there were plaintiffs and defendants. there is a
                              stay in the execusion of their case pending the decion of the state legislature.

                              > As an equal branch of the government the court CANNOT order the legislature to
                              > do anything. I really hope this time you'll get it.

                              and it did not order the legislature to do anything other than to obey the
                              constitution as it stands.
                              if the gay community considers this a triumph they are sadly mistaken.
                              the extreeme right is taking advantage of this situation, twisting the facts
                              etc. to distract the attention of the American public from more pressing issues
                              so as to help gain a second term for the creature in the White House and to
                              make significant changes in the US Constitution that will affect all our lives,
                              gay, straight, citizen, and alien.
                              • Gość: wacko jacko Re: this IS scary IP: *.nyc.rr.com 08.02.04, 20:28
                                Yes it really is. Is it so hard for you to understand that I have a beef with
                                ANY court ORDERING ANY legislature to pass ANY law.
                                Simply for the fact that the supreme court ruling becomes THE law.
                                In this particular case the legislature does not have to act at all for gay
                                marriage to be legal in Massachusetts as of the beginning of May. You are also
                                wrong on wording. The court is hellbent on the word marriage. It has to be used.
                                "Civil union" does not cut.

                                PS. I find it very important that there is a left wing and right wing in
                                politics. It's a constant struggle and that's good.
              • Gość: wacko jacko Re: now I remember IP: *.nyc.rr.com 07.02.04, 22:09
                chickenshorts napisał:
                so, where are the WMD? and how is mr Lay?

                I don;t know where WMD are but I know that Mr Lay still is on the board of
                Heinz Corporation. Mrs Kerry refused to get rid of him.
                • chickenshorts Re: now I remember 09.02.04, 07:21
                  Gość portalu: wacko jacko napisał(a):

                  > I don;t know where WMD are

                  oh, dear...
                  Psephologists have attempted to analyse what makes successive generations grow
                  increasingly impatient with the democracy for which their forefathers fought
                  and died. What's your theory, jacko?

                  The 'heroism' with which you defend your 'skillful'furher turns you
                  increasingly into a sandbag... He now ordered (read: bowed to pressure) an
                  inquiry into the inteligence on wmd.
                  So, when next he bangs his fist on a table demanding who ordered the whole
                  goddamned Iraq thing, you will look an embarrassing sycophant even to him.


                  >but I know that Mr Lay still is on the board of
                  > Heinz Corporation. Mrs Kerry refused to get rid of him.

                  what a bitch, eh?
                  As an aside, do you share, apart from intelectual rigour, your furher's good
                  looks, too?

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