oh well

[erwas]

everything is frayed in America these days.
as chilly darkness descends minds wander.
“what was that?”
“have a nice day”
“oh…nice day, right.. thank you.”
it’ll never be the same again.

now, you might think me slightly eccentric for feeling such-a-way, but I have
a theory about what is behind all this. a lot of people are very cynical, I
realize, about aliens, but here the evidence is, for once, overwhelming. and
I’m not talking about cattle mutilation, crop doodles, or even abductions.
what we have here is truly cosmic, man.

the hissing slime from space use bent rays beamed through Fox, CNN, and
suchlike channels that enter directly into the brains of simple little
American people. the brain-scrambler attachments proved to be unnecessary
since these people are so fucked-up already so a neat little pre-existing
condition was nurtured (by these rays, you see); a latent tumor nudged to
life, its hideous form blossoming into cruelly altered perceptions.

it works like this:
the CIA kindly produced a one billion dollar, 15 month long investigation
(Iraq Survey Group. “Duefler Report”) which confirmed, once and for all, that
Hussain gave up on his WMDs in 1991. since that report a survey (by PIPA and
Knowledge Networks) has found that the percentage of Bush voters who believed
the exact opposite has grown significantly.
you see? a complete reversal, a total denial of information presented.
altered perceptions. alien brain breakers.

here are some survey figures. Bush supporters believe:

Iraq had a WMD deal going (72%)
the CIA report confirmed that Iraq had WMDs (57%)
Iraq was a supporter of al Quaeda (75%)
clear evidence for this support had been found (63%)
foreign views were pro-US or undecided in the war on Iraq, (68%)
Bush supports the International Criminal Court (53%)
Bush supports the Kyoto Protocol (51%)
Bush supports the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (69%)
Bush supports the land mine treaty (72%)
Bush is favored for reelection by people around the world (57%, with 33%
thinking foreign opinion was evenly divided)

so Chickenshorts and others, the more you rage and bellow, the more they
think you love them. the more you cringe in terror the more they think you
support them.

[chickenshorts]

erwas napisał:

> everything is frayed in America these days.

You can say that again!

As for the rest of your nice effort, the summing up in particular... may I
offer my explanation?

It's not aliens! It's because you severed your links with the French. It was
France that helped you to become America in the first place.

Tout ca, par ce que les Americains sont cons.

Aa bon?...

Ah, ba oui!

[i.p.freely]

erwas napisal:
>here are some survey figures. Bush supporters believe:

>Iraq had a WMD deal going (72%)
>the CIA report confirmed that Iraq had WMDs (57%)
>Iraq was a supporter of al Quaeda (75%)
>clear evidence for this support had been found (63%)
>foreign views were pro-US or undecided in the war on Iraq, (68%)
>Bush supports the International Criminal Court (53%)
>Bush supports the Kyoto Protocol (51%)
>Bush supports the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (69%)
>Bush supports the land mine treaty (72%)
>Bush is favored for reelection by people around the world (57%, with 33%
>thinking foreign opinion was evenly divided)

How did we get that way? Is it that Bush people are much better at Mass
Deception stuff with the news organizations willing and dealing, naturally
forced to please or placate or advance or not to disturb the interests of the
managers above?

[erwas]

> Tout ca, par ce que les Americains sont cons.
>
> Aa bon?...
>
> Ah, ba oui!

that's FRENCHinnitchickenshorts!
whatsitsay? why don't you tell us?!

[chickenshorts]

erwas napisał:

> that's FRENCHinnitchickenshorts!

Ah...ba, oui!

> whatsitsay? why don't you tell us?!

You won't believe it! Or you'll be disappointed...
Anyway, I(over)heard it in a park - two monsieurs debating the world's mess
over a bottle of rouge:

> Tout ca, par ce que les Americains sont cons.

Monsieur 1: It's because of American stupidity/the Americans are dumbos"

> Aa bon?...

Mr 2: Really?"

It lost its (French) charm now.
Well, there...

PS Give my regards to the New Mexico's guest of honour tonight...Who would've
thought you were a swing state?

Oh well, lets see all of the poll results

[felusiak_prawdziwy]

Erwas at least be honest. There is no need to distort the survey.
Quote it accurately and let everybody make his/her mind.
We can read, you know.

B: Bush supporters K: Kerry supporters
Do you believe
- Iraq had a WMD deal going (B:47% K:8%)
- the CIA report confirmed that Iraq had WMDs (B:19% K:7%)
- the CIA report confirmed that Iraq had active WMD programs (B:38% K:16%)
- Iraq was a supporter of al Quaeda ( B:55% K:22% )
- clear evidence for this support had been found (B:63% K:12%)
- foreign views were pro-US or undecided in the war on Iraq, (B:68% K:25%)
- Bush supports the International Criminal Court (B:53% K:45%)
- Bush supports the Kyoto Protocol (B:51% K:34%)
- Bush supports the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (B:69% K:50%)
- Bush supports the land mine treaty (B:72% K:46%)
- Bush is favored for reelection by people around the world (B:57% K:1%)
with (B:33% K:30%) thinking foreign opinion was evenly divided)

The poll seems to be a little slanted toward democrats. First, there were
36% of democrats and 32% of republicans and 46% of man and 54% o women.

Read whole survey right here:
www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/Qnnaire10_21_04.pdf

[erwas]

>There is no need to distort the survey.

where is the survey distorted?
I quoted the Bush supporters results only, since that group appears to be so
much more affected by the manipulation of the media. to quote the results of
both groups of voters only emphasizes this phenomenon. that some proportion of
Kerry voters also believe this garbage, is unavoidable; the distortion of facts
by the misinformation machine has been so extensive that people in all groups,
even beyond the US, see only confirmation of their previously held beliefs in
whatever the polititians and media put out.

[felusiak_prawdziwy]

I am sorry but you are WRONG in your asessment.
You wrote: "Kerry voters also believe this garbage, is unavoidable; the
distortion of facts by the misinformation machine has been so extensive....".

In light of this how do you explain the answers about ICC and Kyoto?
The media accounts were accurate and still over 50% of Bush supporters and
34-41% of Kerry supporters believe in fairy tales. It tells more about the
ignorance than misinformation. This people read only sports and a gossip columns.

[chickenshorts]

felusiak_prawdziwy napisał:
>It tells more about the
> ignorance than misinformation.<

Right you are!
(...bearing in mind that ignorance is mostly a sort of 'activity' of ignoring
the facts...)

[felusiak_prawdziwy]

chickenshorts napisał:
>(...bearing in mind that ignorance is mostly a sort of 'activity' of ignoring
> the facts...)

I thought that ignorance is about lack of knowledge or lack of the "activity" to
aquire the knowledge. I'd say that you are misinformed but not ignorant.

[chickenshorts]

felusiak_prawdziwy napisał:
> chickenshorts napisał:
> >(...bearing in mind that ignorance is mostly a sort of 'activity' of ignor
> >ing the facts...)
>
> I thought that ignorance is about lack of knowledge or lack of the "activity"
to
> aquire the knowledge.


Buh!... You didn't, did you?

Well, wacko, and how do you go about maintaining this 'lack of knowledge'?...
Maybe by provoking people to a'debate'and, while declaring some sort of
openness of mind, peddling lies & distortions disguised as hard fact...Pathetic!
I don't need your Fox News sponsored 'science' to know what is there to be
known. Ignorance certainly is about - as you put it - lack of knowledge but it
is now, in our age, something more of a choice, an activity of willingly
ignoring what is the fact/truth rather than just simple lack/unavailability...
Of course, you know what you want to know. But that is not knowledge, is it?
I think you know what I mean.


>I'd say that you are misinformed but not ignorant.<

And I wish I could say the same of you but I can't.

[Gość: felusiak]

I don'r really give a flying fuck what you can or can't say about me.
Don't care. Say whatever you want.
Stick to your Guardian and believe in a tooth fairy.
Get ready for the biggest disappointment of your life on Wednesday.

PS. What Fox has to do with it? What the hell are you talking about?
Are you OK?

[chickenshorts]

Gość portalu: felusiak napisał(a):

> I don'r really give a flying fuck what you can or can't say about me.
> Don't care. Say whatever you want.
> Stick to your Guardian and believe in a tooth fairy.

Well, as legitimate a belief as any other... If I put tooth fairy on a par with
J-e, would you object?

> Get ready for the biggest disappointment of your life on Wednesday.

Yes, the American electorate! In a sense, which obviously escaped your superior
intellingence, that was the point erwas was trying to make...

> PS. What Fox has to do with it?

One's chosen source of information bears on the state of one's knowledge,
doesn't it?

>What the hell are you talking about?
> Are you OK?

Do you really care, love?

[Gość: felusiak]

chickenshorts napisał:
> One's chosen source of information bears on the state of one's knowledge,
> doesn't it?

Hallelujah!

Do you realize that Kerry's voters still believe the 2000 election was decided
by the court? Unfortunatele as you said one's chosen source of information bears
on the state of one's knowledge, doesn't it?
They also believe in the draft and social security scare.

Are you a girl?

[Gość: Iga]

> Do you realize that Kerry's voters still believe the 2000 election was decided
> by the court?

....WASN'T IT?

>Are you a girlie man, felusiak?

No it wasn't

[Gość: felusiak]

The US Supreme Court vacated the Florida Supreme Court ruling and stopped the
recount voting 7:2. At this moment there were only two remedies available.
One to certify the result on hand the other to throw the election to the House
of Representatives. All of this happend on December the 12th. This day marks the
deadline for appointing the electors. In the House of Representatives Mr Gore
stood no chance of being elected president. According to the law the House
elects the president with each state casting one vote. At that time GOP
controlled 29 cnogressional delegations.
uselectionatlas.org/INFORMATION/ARTICLES/pe2000timeline.php
uselectionatlas.org/INFORMATION/LAW/uscode.php

TO FELUSIAK

[Gość: Iga]

Felusiak, Either I or some of the Kerry's backers understand that the Supreme
Court did not decide about appointing the president since the Supreme Court has
no such power. The thing is that, in the 2000 elections, the Supreme Court
played a decisive role in determining who won the presidency when in a 5-to-4
ruling it halted the manual recounting of ballots in FL. After an automatic
recount which is required under Florida Law, George Bush's lead in popular
vote was 327 votes. The winner of FL decided the election. The issue before the
Court was whether manual recounts should proceed as ordered by the Florida
Supreme Court in counties where the Gore campaign had asked for them and what
the standard for the recount should be. The state supreme court hadn't
specified a standard. George Bush appealed the Fl court's decision to the U.S.
Supreme Court. After hearing oral arguments at 10.00 p.m., on Dec.12, the
Supreme handed down its ruling. There was no time to remedy the problem before
the deadline of Dec.12 for forwarding electoral votes to Congress.
There was no time but there was also no right to value the votes. The right to
vote is protected in more than the initial allocation of the franchise. Equal
protection applies as well to the manner of its exercise. The State may not, by
any later arbitrary and disparate treatment, value one person's vote over that
of another. And now...
You know how people react when they know that their ballots were thrown away or
were not counted at all.(DO you remember the "butterfly ballot" case?)
They're pissed off. And that's probably how some of the democrats felt.
Any way,
You write:
In the House of Representatives Mr Gore
> stood no chance of being elected president.

So, I assume that George Bush was elected by the House of Representatives. Was
he?

And you write again:
According to the law the House
> elects the president with each state casting one vote.

Read the Art.2, sec.1, cl.2. and you will find out who essentially "is created"
to choose the president and vice president.

The very very.. last time when the election was decided by the House of
Representatives was in 1876 and 1824. There was no more so far.
Keep on reading, Felusiak.
Best regards,
Iga
Tak w ogole, to ja tak nie lubie o polityce pisac. Diabli mnie podkusili.

[Gość: felusiak]

Delightful post. Thank you.
Unfortunately you are wrong on high court vote. It was 7:2 to stop the recount
with Souter and Breyer dissenting.
The 5 to 4 vote (dissenting: Ginsburg, Souter, Breyer and Stevens) was on
remedy. The court voted to certify the result on hand.
caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=000&invol=00-949&friend=oyez#dissent1
Mr Gore in fact stood no chance of winning in the House of Representatives
merely for the make up of the state delegations.
You are right on 1876 election being decided IN the House.

Anyway, great post. Regards.

[yoric]

So!
Chickenshorts alive AND kicking!!!

Anyway:
quote - closequote - etc

- Iraq was a supporter of al Quaeda ( B:55% K:22% )
- clear evidence for this support had been found (B:63% K:12%)

hehehh :) Bush's supporters more suspicious than I thought :)))

My personal opinion is landmines and Kyoto are fairly inconspicuous and
everyones interested in their staying so. In my view, nothing will change with
the (hopeful) change of the leader in the US.
Regards

BTW: It would be very interesting WITHOUT PREJUDGING THE OUTCOME!!!! - to
measure the average IQ (or whatever) of the avg supporter of either
party....... heheh

[Gość: endzi]

erwas napisał:

the more you cringe in terror the more they think you
> support them.
Damn right, Pal. I am with you.

The more you cringe in terror the more you think they protect you.

[Gość: yots]

....eeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhh???????????