Question??

16.09.02, 19:20
We live in Poland so why is it that you people want to speak english ? I
noticed that many people like in the pub or dance clubs speak english to
eachother even thoug they are polish ! It's very shocking to me becouse we're
polish after all 1 So tell me why is it are you guys ashamed of polish it is
such a beautiful laungage??
    • magbak Re: Question?? 16.09.02, 20:55
      because the world is bigger than Poland ...
      It's about widening horizons and the like! And also kind of fun.
      • sandrunia1 Re: Question?? 16.09.02, 22:01
        magbak napisała:

        > because the world is bigger than Poland ...
        > It's about widening horizons and the like! And also kind of fun.


        Well so what ?? The world is bigger than Poland in dosen't even make sense
        you're polish and in Poland you should speak polish and when you're trying to
        speak other language than your own in your own country you're making complete
        fool of yourself . Think for second !!
        • Gość: erwas Re: Question?? IP: 12.96.204.* 17.09.02, 00:55
          sandrunia1 napisała:
          Think for second !!

          first think,then have a good second think (or have second thoughts), sardynko

          erwas
        • Gość: krecha Re: Question?? IP: *.hwr.Arizona.EDU 17.09.02, 04:11
          Everyone should do as they please, unless their actions offend someone else.
          I cannot see how people (presumably strangers) can offend anyone by just
          speaking English in a pub. If you don't like it, just ignore them. But don't try to
          tell others what is right and what is wrong because these are rights and wrongs
          in your mind only, not necessarily in my mind, or that of anyone else.

          Greetings,

          krecha
          • nyo Re: Question?? 17.09.02, 15:51
            FREEDOM
        • mouchi Re: Question?? 17.09.02, 16:45
          SO why learn any languages?
          and speaking English is practising it. you practise through lessons with
          teacher, reading books and magazines you like, watching movies, tv eng.
          channels, AND SPEAKING also with Polish friends.
          is that so odd?
        • Gość: sylnyc Re: Question?? IP: 207.127.204.* 28.09.02, 17:28
          If you you live in a country and speak lounguage other than the the official
          language, it's either you are a foreigner, or know a foreign language, in
          either way you are more educated than the people who speak only the official
          language (one: foreigner: has a background in other culture-language, two:
          foreign language speaker: had to learn other language other than official).

          Speaking a foreign language in a club could also mean, that you dont want
          certain people to understand you, or, their friends in that club speak only
          that language, or you prefer to hang out with the "smarter crowd", or simply
          you're showing off. Either way, it all allows to practice the skill of
          communication, and in English it's much different than in Polish.

          So, bump into me in a club and we'll talk some heavy American Idioms... how
          about that?

          syl
          • Gość: erwas Re: Question?? IP: 12.96.204.* 28.09.02, 17:44
            Gość portalu: sylnyc napisał(a):

            > If you you live in a country and speak lounguage other than the the official
            > language, it's either you are a foreigner, or know a foreign language

            or you're one of the couple million Native Americans who still speak their
            languages in defiance of the American "melting pot" culture.

            erwas
    • Gość: Prezes Re: Question?? IP: *.ces.clemson.edu 17.09.02, 18:12
      sandrunia1 napisała:

      > We live in Poland so why is it that you people want to
      speak english ? I
      > noticed that many people like in the pub or dance clubs
      speak english to
      > eachother even thoug they are polish ! It's very
      shocking to me becouse we're
      > polish after all 1 So tell me why is it are you guys
      ashamed of polish it is
      > such a beautiful laungage??

      I do not think it is a matter of shame.
      As far as people in pubs speaking English concerned,
      perhaps they just wanted to impress someone
      a girlfriend, or a boyfriend, or maybe you ?
      So it is the same reason some people smoke cigarettes.
      I am sure they will grow up one day...



      • sandrunia1 Re: Question?? 17.09.02, 20:29
        Gość portalu: Prezes napisał(a):

        > sandrunia1 napisała:
        >
        > > We live in Poland so why is it that you people want to
        > speak english ? I
        > > noticed that many people like in the pub or dance clubs
        > speak english to
        > > eachother even thoug they are polish ! It's very
        > shocking to me becouse we're
        > > polish after all 1 So tell me why is it are you guys
        > ashamed of polish it is
        > > such a beautiful laungage??
        >
        > I do not think it is a matter of shame.
        > As far as people in pubs speaking English concerned,
        > perhaps they just wanted to impress someone
        > a girlfriend, or a boyfriend, or maybe you ?
        > So it is the same reason some people smoke cigarettes.
        > I am sure they will grow up one day...
        >
        >
        > I do think they will grow up finally becouse I must tell you when i hear
        people talking english in they own country with their POLISH friends not only
        it makes me sick it just ridicuolus !!! It is the matter of freedom and I'm
        not saying it's wrong it's just stupid and they are making fools of themselfs.
        Now if you want to practice you're english you go to school or go to a country
        where people speak english otherwise you're just making fool of yourself.
        • nyo Re: Question?? 17.09.02, 21:32
          sandrunia1 napisała:

          > > I do think they will grow up finally becouse I must tell you when i hear
          > people talking english in they own country with their POLISH friends not only
          > it makes me sick it just ridicuolus !!! It is the matter of freedom and I'm
          > not saying it's wrong it's just stupid and they are making fools of
          themselfs.
          >
          > Now if you want to practice you're english you go to school or go to a
          country
          > where people speak english otherwise you're just making fool of yourself.

          Have you ever heard the term 'redneck' - maybe it also applies to some people
          in Poland ...
          • Gość: Prezes Re: Question?? IP: *.ces.clemson.edu 18.09.02, 00:21
            nyo napisał:

            > sandrunia1 napisała:
            >
            > > > I do think they will grow up finally becouse I must tell you when i h
            > ear
            > > people talking english in they own country with their POLISH friends not o
            > nly
            > > it makes me sick it just ridicuolus !!! It is the matter of freedom and I
            > 'm
            > > not saying it's wrong it's just stupid and they are making fools of
            > themselfs.
            > >
            > > Now if you want to practice you're english you go to school or go to a
            > country
            > > where people speak english otherwise you're just making fool of yourself.
            >
            > Have you ever heard the term 'redneck' - maybe it also applies to some people
            > in Poland ...

            well, I do not see any similarities between some Polish guys
            in a Polish pub having a conversation in English and rednecks...
            For starters, rednecks do not speak any foreign language,
            nor do they like anyone ho does.
            • magbak Re: Question?? 18.09.02, 00:46


              > nyo napisał:
              >

              > >
              > > Have you ever heard the term 'redneck' - maybe it also applies to some peo
              > ple
              > > in Poland ...
              >
              > well, I do not see any similarities between some Polish guys
              > in a Polish pub having a conversation in English and rednecks...
              > For starters, rednecks do not speak any foreign language,
              > nor do they like anyone how does.

              I think that's what nyo was getting at. That the view that people should only
              speak Polish is somewhat 'redneck'.
              • sandrunia1 Re: Question?? 18.09.02, 12:04
                magbak napisała:

                >
                >
                > > nyo napisał:
                > >
                >
                > > >
                > > > Have you ever heard the term 'redneck' - maybe it also applies to som
                > e peo
                > > ple
                > > > in Poland ...
                > >
                > > well, I do not see any similarities between some Polish guys
                > > in a Polish pub having a conversation in English and rednecks...
                > > For starters, rednecks do not speak any foreign language,
                > > nor do they like anyone how does.
                >
                > I think that's what nyo was getting at. That the view that people should only
                > speak Polish is somewhat 'redneck'.

                Well you've just learn a new word redneck now probably you would liketo know
                what does it mean right?? Besides it's not lijke I think that people should
                speak only polish it's just that it's some kind of really weird trend inPoland .
                I've been to diffrent countries and I have a lot of friends that are for
                example Americans they too learn other languages but I've never heard them
                talking like french or something .Oh I know maybe i'ts becouse they speak
                english language that 80%poles think it's their language and that they have to
                speak it.
                • Gość: belferka Re: Question?? IP: *.gdynia.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl 22.09.02, 13:00

                  > .
                  > I've been to diffrent countries and I have a lot of friends that are for
                  > example Americans they too learn other languages but I've never heard them
                  > talking like french or something .Oh I know maybe i'ts becouse they speak
                  > english language that 80%poles think it's their language and that they have
                  to
                  > speak it.

                  Maybe that's why Americsns don't speak foreign languages fluently,and with a
                  strong accent. I don't see what's wrong with practicing your language
                  whereever you feel like.
                  Your argument that they make a complete fool of themselves is absurd. This is
                  nobody else's business.
                  Why do you care? Diddn't youa have sex for a long time or what that youy're
                  such a pain in the ass?
                  • sandrunia1 Re: Question?? 22.09.02, 16:05
                    Gość portalu: belferka napisał(a):

                    >
                    > > .
                    > > I've been to diffrent countries and I have a lot of friends that are for
                    > > example Americans they too learn other languages but I've never heard them
                    >
                    > > talking like french or something .Oh I know maybe i'ts becouse they speak
                    > > english language that 80%poles think it's their language and that they hav
                    > e
                    > to
                    > > speak it.
                    >
                    > Maybe that's why Americsns don't speak foreign languages fluently,and with a
                    > strong accent. I don't see what's wrong with practicing your language
                    > whereever you feel like.
                    > Your argument that they make a complete fool of themselves is absurd. This is
                    > nobody else's business.
                    > Why do you care? Diddn't youa have sex for a long time or what that youy're
                    > such a pain in the ass?

                    It seems to me that you didn't have sex for a long time 'couse that thats the
                    only thing that's into your mind .Anyway I'm notgoing to disscus it with you .
                    • sandrunia1 Re: Question?? 22.09.02, 16:08
                      sandrunia1 napisała:

                      > Gość portalu: belferka napisał(a):
                      >
                      > >
                      > > > .
                      > > > I've been to diffrent countries and I have a lot of friends that are
                      > for
                      > > > example Americans they too learn other languages but I've never heard
                      > them
                      > >
                      > > > talking like french or something .Oh I know maybe i'ts becouse they s
                      > peak
                      > > > english language that 80%poles think it's their language and that the
                      > y hav
                      > > e
                      > > to
                      > > > speak it.
                      > >
                      > > Maybe that's why Americsns don't speak foreign languages fluently,and with
                      > a
                      > > strong accent. I don't see what's wrong with practicing your language
                      > > whereever you feel like.
                      > > Your argument that they make a complete fool of themselves is absurd. This
                      > is
                      > > nobody else's business.
                      > > Why do you care? Diddn't youa have sex for a long time or what that youy'r
                      > e
                      > > such a pain in the ass?
                      >
                      > It seems to me that you didn't have sex for a long time 'couse that thats the
                      > only thing that's into your mind .Anyway I'm notgoing to disscus it with you .


                      Ok i have to correct myself . I meant taht sex is only thing on your
                      mind .Maybe i should join some " english practicing group in the pub " Any
                      sugestions????
                      • Gość: belferka Re: Question?? IP: *.gdansk.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl 22.09.02, 20:05
                        .
                        >
                        >
                        > Ok i have to correct myself . I meant taht sex is only thing on your
                        > mind .Maybe i should join some " english practicing group in the pub " Any
                        > sugestions????


                        So, I was right, desperately looking for an opportunity of a wild orgy??? I
                        bet you're still a virgin.
                        I feel soooooo sorry for yuo.

                        • mamosz Re: Question?? 23.09.02, 13:46
                          Gość portalu: belferka napisał(a):

                          > .
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Ok i have to correct myself . I meant taht sex is only thing on your
                          > > mind .Maybe i should join some " english practicing group in the pub " Any
                          >
                          > > sugestions????
                          >
                          >
                          > So, I was right, desperately looking for an opportunity of a wild orgy??? I
                          > bet you're still a virgin.
                          > I feel soooooo sorry for yuo.
                          >
                          > How about a glass of water instead....?
                    • Gość: belferka Re: Question?? IP: *.gdansk.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl 22.09.02, 20:00

                      >
                      > It seems to me that you didn't have sex for a long time 'couse that thats
                      the
                      > only thing that's into your mind .Anyway I'm notgoing to disscus it with
                      you .

                      You're right I haven't had sex for a pretty long time, since a quicky in the
                      morning.

                      Good luck in yuor sexlife.
                      • Gość: cracovian Re: Question?? IP: 9FBA5E* / *.bankofamerica.com 27.09.02, 23:37
                        How about two of you and I take care of some business together and then we can
                        practice some English in the pub somewhere?
                        • Gość: sandrunia Re: Question?? IP: *.gdynia.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl 30.09.02, 00:37
                          Gość portalu: cracovian napisał(a):

                          > How about two of you and I take care of some business together and then we
                          can
                          > practice some English in the pub somewhere?
                          Interesting offer. With pleasure. Are you a hanfsome guy? I want to have sex
                          with someone attractive .
                          • Gość: erwas Re: Question?? IP: 12.96.204.* 30.09.02, 01:08
                            Gość portalu: sandrunia napisał(a):

                            > Gość portalu: cracovian napisał(a):
                            >
                            > > How about two of you and I take care of some business together and then we
                            >
                            > can
                            > > practice some English in the pub somewhere?
                            > Interesting offer. With pleasure. Are you a hanfsome guy? I want to have sex
                            > with someone attractive.

                            a match made in heaven
                • Gość: Prezes Re: Question?? IP: *.ces.clemson.edu 23.09.02, 17:25
                  sandrunia1 napisała:

                  > magbak napisała:
                  >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > > nyo napisał:
                  > > >
                  > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Have you ever heard the term 'redneck' - maybe it
                  also applies t
                  > o som
                  > > e peo
                  > > > ple
                  > > > > in Poland ...
                  > > >
                  > > > well, I do not see any similarities between some
                  Polish guys
                  > > > in a Polish pub having a conversation in English
                  and rednecks...
                  > > > For starters, rednecks do not speak any foreign
                  language,
                  > > > nor do they like anyone how does.
                  > >
                  > > I think that's what nyo was getting at. That the view
                  that people should o
                  > nly
                  > > speak Polish is somewhat 'redneck'.
                  >
                  > Well you've just learn a new word redneck now probably
                  you would liketo know
                  > what does it mean right?? Besides it's not lijke I
                  think that people should
                  > speak only polish it's just that it's some kind of
                  really weird trend inPoland
                  > .
                  > I've been to diffrent countries and I have a lot of
                  friends that are for
                  > example Americans they too learn other languages but
                  I've never heard them
                  > talking like french or something .

                  Because they can't !!!
                  True, there are Americans who learn other languages
                  (mostly Spanish, since this is the second most popular
                  language here), but very few of them, really can
                  speak any foreign language very well.
                  I met perhaps only a couple of Americans (of English
                  descent, not immigrants or children of immigrants)who
                  were really proficient in a foreign language (and this is
                  only because they were married to a foreigner).


                  >Oh I know maybe i'ts becouse they speak
                  > english language that 80%poles think it's their
                  language and that they have to
                  > speak it.
        • mouchi Re: Question?? 18.09.02, 11:39
          sandrunia1 napisała:

          > Gość portalu: Prezes napisał(a):
          >
          > > sandrunia1 napisała:
          > >
          > > > We live in Poland so why is it that you people want to
          > > speak english ? I
          > > > noticed that many people like in the pub or dance clubs
          > > speak english to
          > > > eachother even thoug they are polish ! It's very
          > > shocking to me becouse we're
          > > > polish after all 1 So tell me why is it are you guys
          > > ashamed of polish it is
          > > > such a beautiful laungage??
          > >
          > > I do not think it is a matter of shame.
          > > As far as people in pubs speaking English concerned,
          > > perhaps they just wanted to impress someone
          > > a girlfriend, or a boyfriend, or maybe you ?
          > > So it is the same reason some people smoke cigarettes.
          > > I am sure they will grow up one day...
          > >
          > >
          > > I do think they will grow up finally becouse I must tell you when i hear
          > people talking english in they own country with their POLISH friends not only
          > it makes me sick it just ridicuolus !!! It is the matter of freedom and I'm
          > not saying it's wrong it's just stupid and they are making fools of
          themselfs.
          >
          > Now if you want to practice you're english you go to school or go to a
          country
          > where people speak english otherwise you're just making fool of yourself.

          -----
    • Gość: anula Re: Question?? IP: 2.4.STABLE* / 158.2.8.* 18.09.02, 11:45
      The reason could be to practice language skills.
      I am a member of International Training in Communication Club (if you want know
      more about this organisation visit: www.itc-europe.org )and speak English with
      Polish people (usually only Polish) because I want to improve my English. We
      also meet in pubs or somewhere and speak English as well. So, for me this kind
      of conversation is not odd.
      I am happy I DO NOT have to attend any language school and despite it I have a
      chance to speak English.
      • sandrunia1 Re: Question?? 18.09.02, 12:07
        Gość portalu: anula napisał(a):

        > The reason could be to practice language skills.
        > I am a member of International Training in Communication Club (if you want
        know
        >
        > more about this organisation visit: www.itc-europe.org )and speak English
        with
        > Polish people (usually only Polish) because I want to improve my English. We
        > also meet in pubs or somewhere and speak English as well. So, for me this
        kind
        > of conversation is not odd.
        > I am happy I DO NOT have to attend any language school and despite it I have
        a
        > chance to speak English.

        As I wrote already I know bunch of people from other countries and they too
        learn other languages but only in Poland I've see weird
        things like this!
        • Gość: anula Re: Question?? IP: 2.4.STABLE* / 158.2.8.* 18.09.02, 13:23
          I know nothing about any pubs abroad. But there are many English speaking clubs
          in a lot of countries where people speak English. If they are lucky they have a
          foreigner to talk to.
          Anyway, even if it is just a snobbish behaviour, it is better than to be
          ashamed or be afraid to speak English. If you have not any possibility to go
          abroad or to meet a foreigner it could be great to meet regularly someone who
          speaks English. I was looking for this chance for a few years.
          Is it very popular? I did it only a couple of times and never meet others who
          would speak English in public places(only foreigners). But I go to the pubs
          very, very rarely.
          • sandrunia1 Re: Question?? 22.09.02, 13:29
            Gość portalu: anula napisał(a):

            > I know nothing about any pubs abroad. But there are many English speaking
            clubs
            >
            > in a lot of countries where people speak English. If they are lucky they have
            a
            >
            > foreigner to talk to.
            > Anyway, even if it is just a snobbish behaviour, it is better than to be
            > ashamed or be afraid to speak English. If you have not any possibility to go
            > abroad or to meet a foreigner it could be great to meet regularly someone who
            > speaks English. I was looking for this chance for a few years.
            > Is it very popular? I did it only a couple of times and never meet others who
            > would speak English in public places(only foreigners). But I go to the pubs
            > very, very rarely.

            I'm not really afraid or ashamed of speaking english but many Poles should be
            Anyway I think speaking english with foreginers is ok .
            • mamosz Re: Question?? 22.09.02, 19:08
              sardunia1 If I were you I`d join this forum as it is a very good way to
              develop your language skills and you seem to need it badly. Regards
              • Gość: dunno Re: Question?? IP: *.unregistered.media-com.com.pl 22.09.02, 22:31
                I myself use some English expressions in plain, everyday conversations, not
                that starting with "f" only :P They sometimes express my thoughts better or
                faster than those in my mother language. My point is that unnecessary speaking
                in English may sound somewhat odd, but it is good to improve one's language, if
                desired. Needless to say it's a great and natural opportunity to have a
                foreigner here to talk to. As to going abroad, it sometimes gives more than
                attending school; specific accent for instance, what we all know. But speaking
                English in public in Poland for mere show off is for mentioned rednecks and I
                don't like it.
              • sandrunia1 Re: Question?? 24.09.02, 12:16
                mamosz napisała:

                > sardunia1 If I were you I`d join this forum as it is a very good way to
                > develop your language skills and you seem to need it badly. Regards


                you maight be right I will join this sick forum and most of all I'll come to
                visit Poland again and I'll speak only english in every pub I'll go to .Ok
                yes ?? ( poles favorite saying)
        • Gość: Nemo Re: Question?? IP: *.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 23.09.02, 15:04
          sandrunia1 napisała:
          > As I wrote already I know bunch of people from other countries and they too
          > learn other languages but only in Poland I've see weird
          > things like this!

          You haven't seen much my dear puppet and that goes for your foreign friends as
          well. It might be that these people speaking English are trying to show off a
          bit. So what? Let them be. We have a saying here: it's a free country :)
          Perhaps you should adopted in Poland as well.
          • sandrunia1 Re: Question?? 24.09.02, 12:13
            Gość portalu: Nemo napisał(a):

            > sandrunia1 napisała:
            > > As I wrote already I know bunch of people from other countries and they to
            > o
            > > learn other languages but only in Poland I've see weird
            > > things like this!
            >
            > You haven't seen much my dear puppet and that goes for your foreign friends
            as
            > well. It might be that these people speaking English are trying to show off a
            > bit. So what? Let them be. We have a saying here: it's a free country :)
            > Perhaps you should adopted in Poland as well

            First of all I'm not your puppet and I'm not going to be . Second of all I'm
            not going to adopt in Poland and thank God I don't have to live here .I Gave up
            on that topic and after all it is a free country and you and rest of those
            people can make complete idiots of themselfs it's actually their own
            buissnes.Oh if we're talking about showing off a little first you have to have
            something to show off and most poles has a really bad accent to it's really not
            showing off .
            • Gość: erwas Re: Question?? IP: 12.96.204.* 24.09.02, 16:39
              sandrunia1 napisała:
              > Oh if we're talking about showing off a little first you have to have
              > something to show off

              so what you got there sardunia1? you're going to show us? go on! show off!
              let's take a little peek.

              erwas
              • sandrunia1 Re: Question?? 25.09.02, 16:12
                Gość portalu: erwas napisał(a):

                > sandrunia1 napisała:
                > > Oh if we're talking about showing off a little first you have to have
                > > something to show off
                >
                > so what you got there sardunia1? you're going to show us? go on! show off!
                > let's take a little peek.
                >
                > erwas


                You knnow what go give yourself a hand job ok !! Anyway I'm not some polish
                people that are trying to impress others with their skills I know what I learn
                and I also know That you're are going to have study english a least 10 more
                years to impress me .
              • sandrunia1 Re: Question?? 25.09.02, 16:13
                Gość portalu: erwas napisał(a):

                > sandrunia1 napisała:
                > > Oh if we're talking about showing off a little first you have to have
                > > something to show off
                >
                > so what you got there sardunia1? you're going to show us? go on! show off!
                > let's take a little peek.
                >
                > erwas


                Just to let you know you actually can't peek at somebodys skills in english .
            • Gość: Prezes Re: Question?? IP: *.ces.clemson.edu 24.09.02, 18:56
              sandrunia1 napisała:

              > Gość portalu: Nemo napisał(a):
              >
              > > sandrunia1 napisała:
              > > > As I wrote already I know bunch of people from other countries and th
              > ey to
              > > o
              > > > learn other languages but only in Poland I've see weird
              > > > things like this!
              > >
              > > You haven't seen much my dear puppet and that goes for your foreign friend
              > s
              > as
              > > well. It might be that these people speaking English are trying to show of
              > f a
              > > bit. So what? Let them be. We have a saying here: it's a free country :)
              > > Perhaps you should adopted in Poland as well
              >
              > First of all I'm not your puppet and I'm not going to be . Second of all I'm
              > not going to adopt in Poland and thank God I don't have to live here .I Gave up
              >
              > on that topic and after all it is a free country and you and rest of those
              > people can make complete idiots of themselfs it's actually their own
              > buissnes.



              >Oh if we're talking about showing off a little first you have to have
              > something to show off and most poles has a really bad accent to it's really not
              >
              > showing off .

              Well, people who show off usually make fools of themselves,
              because they do not have anything of real importance to impress
              others (girls, friends, etc.) so they act to be (at least in their perception) cool,
              even though they really look foolish.


              Why is it bothering you so much ? What do you care what other people do ?
              Especially if it does not encroach on your territory.
              • sandrunia1 Re: Question?? 25.09.02, 16:08
                Gość portalu: Prezes napisał(a):

                > sandrunia1 napisała:
                >
                > > Gość portalu: Nemo napisał(a):
                > >
                > > > sandrunia1 napisała:
                > > > > As I wrote already I know bunch of people from other countries a
                > nd th
                > > ey to
                > > > o
                > > > > learn other languages but only in Poland I've see weird
                > > > > things like this!
                > > >
                > > > You haven't seen much my dear puppet and that goes for your foreign f
                > riend
                > > s
                > > as
                > > > well. It might be that these people speaking English are trying to sh
                > ow of
                > > f a
                > > > bit. So what? Let them be. We have a saying here: it's a free country
                > :)
                > > > Perhaps you should adopted in Poland as well
                > >
                > > First of all I'm not your puppet and I'm not going to be . Second of all I
                > 'm
                > > not going to adopt in Poland and thank God I don't have to live here .I Ga
                > ve up
                > >
                > > on that topic and after all it is a free country and you and rest of those
                >
                > > people can make complete idiots of themselfs it's actually their own
                > > buissnes.
                >
                >
                >
                > >Oh if we're talking about showing off a little first you have to have
                > > something to show off and most poles has a really bad accent to it's reall
                > y not
                > >
                > > showing off .
                >
                > Well, people who show off usually make fools of themselves,
                > because they do not have anything of real importance to impress
                > others (girls, friends, etc.) so they act to be (at least in their
                perception)
                > cool,
                > even though they really look foolish.
                >
                >
                > Why is it bothering you so much ? What do you care what other people do ?
                > Especially if it does not encroach on your territory.




                Well actually it does .And it bothers me really badly but as I said it's a free
                country and people can do whatever they want to .
                • Gość: ala Re: Question?? IP: *.otenet.gr 27.09.02, 09:13
                  Hi!

                  I do not really understand what problem you people have!!!
                  Does it matter what language we speak???
                  The most important thing is communication. I believe it would be much easier to
                  have one common language (for instance English since so many people speak).
                  It surprises me that so many people are so small, but think so much about
                  themselves at the same time.Communication is the first step that will allow our
                  civilization to move forward. The sooner we understand it the better it will be.
                  Regards,
                  • Gość: ula Re: Question?? IP: *.borland.pl 27.09.02, 09:38
                    What more, you have the debate about "stupid Polish people" speaking English
                    in.....English!!
                    Ha, ha, ha! All of you are POLISH! So what is the excuse for writting in
                    English??
                    The same as about speaking! Just practicing..!
                    • sandrunia1 Re: Question?? 27.09.02, 17:20
                      Gość portalu: ula napisał(a):

                      > What more, you have the debate about "stupid Polish people" speaking English
                      > in.....English!!
                      > Ha, ha, ha! All of you are POLISH! So what is the excuse for writting in
                      > English??
                      > The same as about speaking! Just practicing..!


                      You actually are right .I give up it's a free country and you guys can do
                      whatever you want to. I'll try caming back to that forum just to practice my
                      writing in English.
                      • magbak Re: Jealousy?? 27.09.02, 18:39
                        Why is some people find other people speaking in English such a fucking
                        problem!

                        I put it down to jealousy.
                        • Gość: sylnyc Re: Jealousy?? IP: 207.127.204.* 28.09.02, 17:30
                          agree... as i said in other message... jelous is one reason. what's so hard
                          about picking up an english-language magazine or newspaper and read some, or
                          simply watch some tv without dubbing or subtitles, and TRY to understand what
                          the characters are saying. A lot of people learn this way, and it's very
                          effective. There are many solutions to learn languages... but being lazy, and
                          jelous is not one.
                      • awalk Re: Question?? 14.11.02, 13:25
                        sandrunia1 napisała:

                        > Gość portalu: ula napisał(a):
                        >
                        > > What more, you have the debate about "stupid Polish people" speaking Engli
                        > sh
                        > > in.....English!!
                        > > Ha, ha, ha! All of you are POLISH! So what is the excuse for writting in
                        > > English??
                        > > The same as about speaking! Just practicing..!
                        >
                        >
                        > You actually are right .I give up it's a free country and you guys can do
                        > whatever you want to. I'll try caming back to that forum just to practice my
                        > writing in English.

                        At last, you have learned something. I think it is an excellent idea. You
                        should practise your English written and spoken, wherever you just happen to
                        be. Almost every place is appropriate. I agree that it is much better to
                        practise with a native speaker, but then I don't mind speaking to a lamp post
                        if it's going to help me. It might look weird to a passerby, but who cares? To
                        sum it up, I don't think the people you talk about make fools of themselves, on
                        the contrary it is you who has been trying very hard to earn yourself the right
                        to be called a stuffed shirt, which means a pompous, and self-opinionated
                        person.
                      • Gość: . All of you are POLISH IP: proxy / *.chimpanzee.dialup.pol.co.uk 17.11.02, 01:41
                        not
                        excuse?
                        perhaps can't show off in Polish
                        • Gość: erwas Re: All of you are POLISH IP: 12.96.204.* 17.11.02, 05:18
                          Gość portalu: . napisał(a):

                          > not
                          > excuse?
                          > perhaps can't show off in Polish

                          no, I think.
                  • Gość: Prezes Re: Question?? IP: *.ces.clemson.edu 27.09.02, 18:32
                    Gość portalu: ala napisał(a):

                    > Hi!
                    >
                    > I do not really understand what problem you people have!!!
                    > Does it matter what language we speak???
                    > The most important thing is communication. I believe it
                    would be much easier to
                    >
                    > have one common language (for instance English since so
                    many people speak).

                    Even more people speak Mandarine Chineese,
                    so why not Chineese ? why not Arabic ? Spanish ?
                    Russian ? So many people use these languages...

                    Certainly having a common language would be easy,
                    especially for doing business, but it would be also
                    boring. Language is an intrinsic part of our culture,
                    it shapes our mind, it makes us who we are.
                    Humankind is so rich, because of the variety
                    of cultures, languages and customs.

                    > It surprises me that so many people are so small, but
                    think so much about
                    > themselves at the same time.Communication is the first
                    step that will allow our
                    >
                    > civilization to move forward. The sooner we understand
                    it the better it will be
                    > .
                    > Regards,

                    • Gość: Wojtek Re: Question?? IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 27.09.02, 18:42
                      Hear, hear...!!!Prezes, don't you start. Sandrunia's just seen the light!
                    • Gość: ala Re: Question?? To Prezes IP: *.otenet.gr 07.10.02, 11:03
                      Hi!

                      I mentioned English as a common language because it is the most widely spoken
                      language in the world and nobody can deny it.
                      I can assure you that most of the mandarin chinese speaking people speak
                      English as well. And same goes for whatever else you have mentioned.
                      At the same time I want to tell you that I do not have anything against
                      national languages, I just consider the existence of a common language an
                      absolute necessity.
                      As for our rich culture I totally disagree with you. I do not see any culture
                      in fact. From my observation people are savages, and nothing more than that.
                      History is full of examples that prove it, but unfortunately we do not learn
                      anything from it. I strongly believe that it will not do us any good if we
                      concentrate on diffrences instead of seeing what we have in common.
                      Regards
                      • Gość: Prezes Re: Question?? To Prezes IP: *.ces.clemson.edu 07.10.02, 17:52
                        Gość portalu: ala napisał(a):

                        > Hi!
                        >
                        > I mentioned English as a common language because it is
                        the most widely spoken
                        > language in the world and nobody can deny it.

                        It depends how you define "most widely spoken"
                        If it is the number of people who speak the language,
                        than Chineese would beat any other language
                        on the globe.

                        If it is the territory "covered" by a certain language
                        than it might be English, but both Spanish and Arabic are
                        pretty widespread too.

                        If you consider global influence, than certainly
                        English is number one. It is mostly due to
                        the leading position of the US in world's affairs since
                        the end of WWII.

                        > I can assure you that most of the mandarin chinese
                        speaking people speak
                        > English as well.

                        And I can assure you that you could not be further from
                        the truth. Have you ever been to China ?
                        How many people on the streets understood English ???


                        And same goes for whatever else you have mentioned.
                        > At the same time I want to tell you that I do not have
                        anything against
                        > national languages, I just consider the existence of a
                        common language an
                        > absolute necessity.

                        Well, somehow human civilization survived for
                        several thousand years without a common language,
                        so apparently it is NOT a necessity.
                        We CAN live without a common language.
                        Would it be easier if everyone spoke the same
                        language. You bet !!
                        Would it make us better. I have no illusions,
                        that it would not.



                        > As for our rich culture I totally disagree with you. I
                        do not see any culture
                        > in fact.

                        What about literature, music, theater, visual art,
                        etc. Do you discard all of it indiscriminately ?

                        >From my observation people are savages, and nothing more
                        than that.

                        Yes, some people are. You must be very naive
                        to think that having a common language would change it.

                        > History is full of examples that prove it, but
                        unfortunately we do not learn
                        > anything from it. I strongly believe that it will not
                        do us any good if we
                        > concentrate on diffrences instead of seeing what we
                        have >in common.

                        I agree, we should emphasize what we have in common,
                        but we ought to respect individual rights of every human
                        being. Cultural, linguistic and genetic diversity is
                        what makes us, people, great.



                        > Regards
                        • Gość: ala Re: Question?? To Prezes IP: *.otenet.gr 08.10.02, 11:32
                          Hi,

                          All I ment by saying that English is the most widely spoken language is that no
                          matter where you go, you can somehow manage to communicate in English. But that
                          is not the main point. English or not, common language would definitely make it
                          easier for people to communicate.

                          Of course existance of a common language would not make us better people and
                          would not change the current situation in the world, but how can we improve or
                          change sth without being able to communicate with each other?


                          As for the culture -of course literature, music, theater ect. all this is
                          wonderful, provided that you have means to enjoy it. In my undersaning culture
                          is something more than that. Considering it as ideals, beliefs and customs
                          that are shared and accepted by people in a society I would have a great
                          difficulty to describe what is our culture based on.


                          It is very nice to know that there are still individuals who consider us -
                          people to be great.
                          I want to tell you that I do not see anything positive about developments on
                          our planet. Power and money are two evil things that people are ready to kill
                          for and they are in hands of very few, who do not care about avarage human
                          being. Most of the Earth's population live on income below poverty level, our
                          life is limited to the struggle for survival.

                          As for the individual rights of every human being I agree, they have to be
                          respected for as long as they are fair and equal.


                          This whole discussion about common language started from a totally wrong place.
                          To make you understand what exactly I had in mind I should perhaps explain a
                          little bit about my beliefs, but I am not sure if you are interested in
                          starting a discussion that may involve sharing different opinions about current
                          and future developments in the world.
                          Please let me know.

                          Regards,
    • Gość: cracovian Re: Question Sandrunia's sanity IP: 9FBA5E* / *.bankofamerica.com 27.09.02, 23:56
      Sandrunia - I thought you were cool and all at first but I didn't realize that
      you lived abroad! If you do then, for god's sake, take this opportunity to
      learn English a bit more and come back here then.

      You think you're such a hot item, you come visit Poland and you're shocked with
      how Poles behave out of the sudden... After reading a few of your posts here
      the only thing that I can picture now is YOU sitting in the pub somewhere and
      telling some stranger about your adventures overseas in your broken English.
      You are TRULY a pain in the ass but let it be known that you're not alone
      here...

      You people (and you know who you are) need to relax a little bit, find yourself
      a nice looking foreign boy/girlfriend, and practice your tongue skills till the
      morning dawn. Then you won't have time to post bullshit here and give a hard
      time to normal people...
      • Gość: nat Re: Question Sandrunia's sanity IP: *.in-addr.btopenworld.com 08.10.02, 13:25
        Not a great animal lover myself but feel I have to speak up in defence of
        donkeys worldwide. The pain, like the one you dish out so freely, is actually
        felt in one's ARSE. 'Morning dawn' must be some fascinating phenomenon as
        compared to the 'evening dawn' perhaps?
        People in glass houses should not be throwing stones.
    • tfuj_aniou_strusz Re: Question?? 08.10.02, 12:59
      so if you want to speak polish ,do so. and if it bothers you, do not write
      that it does, in english.
      peace sister
      • Gość: Angel G. Re: Question?? IP: *.sympatico.ca 08.10.02, 15:39
        C'mon, bro, didn't you get it? She just wants to blow and suck at the same
        time. That's what puts her into "silly" category.
        Love'n'kisses
        • Gość: missy5 Re: Question?? IP: *.nowyport.pl / 192.168.1.* 14.11.02, 15:54
          That really sounds strange when two Poles talk in English in their country,it's
          just funny:)And don't even tell me that that's a way of practising a language,I
          won't believe it.Among so many opportunities to practise english (this forum
          for example),this one is rather rotten...;)
          As far as I'm concerned,we forgot a bit of the role of English,it's not a way
          of life but an ability,useful(soemtimes neccesary though)at work or in
          communication with other native speakers.It's a shame for us as a Polish
          nation,remember the words?"...Polacy nie gesi,iz swoj jezyk maja."
          • Gość: chickenShorts Re: Question?? IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 14.11.02, 16:51
            Gość portalu: missy5 napisał(a):

            > That really sounds strange when two Poles talk in English in their
            country,it's
            >
            > just funny:)And don't even tell me that that's a way of practising a
            language,I
            >
            > won't believe it.Among so many opportunities to practise english (this forum
            > for example),this one is rather rotten...;)
            > As far as I'm concerned,we forgot a bit of the role of English,it's not a way
            > of life but an ability,useful(soemtimes neccesary though)at work or in
            > communication with other native speakers.It's a shame for us as a Polish
            > nation,remember the words?"...Polacy nie gesi,iz swoj jezyk maja."


            Do you really know to what Mr Rej alluded when he said that? To omnipresent
            Latin (Latin = language of geese, at that time), official language in medieval
            Poland.
            Finding it strange that Poles practice English openly is your right, to
            proclaim it weired is rather silly but to quote Rej in the context smacks of
            nationalistic rant.
            In few years Euro! In few decades English! Babel rebuilt and then we knock
            Him down, eh?! Just jocking with the last one.
    • Gość: des Re: Question?? IP: *.mckinn1.vic.optusnet.com.au 17.11.02, 08:01
      So they can communicate in a different lingo , you fuckhead
      • Gość: . Sandruniu, darling, IP: webcacheH* / *.elephant.dialup.pol.co.uk 19.11.02, 02:47
        Where is she anyway?

        Why don't you take your pretty little English-speaking mouth and the rest of
        the luvelee self down a pub or club somewhere to practise your
        numerous skills there, where you may also find a handsome stranger to
        satisfy your patriotic as well as linguistic needs and maybe desires and
        cravings of other nature too , thus keeping you from causing a mess of
        this scale on this friendly little board.

        truly concerned

        your best mate
      • Gość: chickenShorts Re: Question?? IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 20.11.02, 13:51
        Gość portalu: des napisał(a):
        > So they can communicate in a different lingo , you fuckhead<

        Yeah, I must be to respond to you... But then, I made a point of responding to
        any post directed at me. So, what exactly were you trying to say? No, not by
        the last bit, as thid was clear to me, but by "So they could communicate in a
        different lingo"... or, maybe, different lingos?
    • charissa Re: Question?? 20.11.02, 21:44
      popracuj nad gramatyka angielska!!
      • Gość: chickenShorts Re: Question?? IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 20.11.02, 22:00
        charissa napisała:

        > popracuj nad gramatyka angielska!!<

        I will!
        • Gość: erwas Re: Question?? IP: 12.96.204.* 21.11.02, 04:27
          Gość portalu: chickenShorts napisał(a):

          > charissa napisała:
          >
          > > popracuj nad gramatyka angielska!!<

          you're one lucky guy chickenShorts. charissa came along at just the right
          moment for you.
          now I don't want to seem overly picky mind, but: "Yes, I must be to respond to
          you" is an akward phrase, you must admit.

          > I will!

          your cheerful enthusiasm in the face of this challenge should be an example for
          all others on this forum. it will be interesting to note what progress you make.
          erwas
          • Gość: chickenShorts Re: Question?? IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 21.11.02, 10:27
            erwas,
            how are you? long time, no slap, eh? even if only reflected...

            Gość portalu: erwas napisał(a):
            > you're one lucky guy chickenShorts. charissa came along at just the right
            > moment for you.<

            ...before you did, you mean?...

            > now I don't want to seem overly picky mind, but: "Yes, I must be to respond
            to you" is an akward phrase, you must admit.<

            Yes, I did clearly* admit that it was a very a w k w a r d phrase.
            Well, had I been less of a chicken and more like you, I would've argued
            (unsuccessfuly, no doubt) that as a transcript of a conversation, it only
            lacked punctuation... -

            the gentleman from Down Under - "... you fuckhead!"
            me - "I must be!... to respond to you..."

            - but it would have been more in character with cockBoxers, not me...

            > I will!*> your cheerful enthusiasm in the face of this challenge <

            How to react otherwise, when in the presence of a great learning coupled with
            great modesty ,the aforementioned lady displayed...

            > should be an example for all others on this forum.<

            I agree.

            >it will be interesting to note what progress you make<
            > erwas

            I have no doubt you'll keep me posted, on that score,at keast.

            Yours,
            chickenShorts
        • charissa Re: Question?? 21.11.02, 11:23
          Sandrunia was supposed to read this, not you ;-))) I often use Polish here because I know I may do some
          mistake, and I hate it (my mistakes).
          Thanks for ansewring my question yesterday night ;-)

          • Gość: chickenShorts Re: Question?? IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 21.11.02, 13:12
            Charissa!
            Oooh, charissa, charissa... I love your nick. Comes from Charity, no doubt.


            erwas,
            oooh, erwas, you are the reason I come to this forum so often. Shalom!
            • charissa Re: Question?? 21.11.02, 13:31
              Go?? portalu: chickenShorts napisa?(a):

              > Charissa!
              > Oooh, charissa, charissa... I love your nick. Comes
              from Charity, no doubt.

              :-*
              • Gość: chickenShorts Re: Question?? IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 21.11.02, 13:43
                Oh, dear, that's personal, in'it?!
                (let's say I was a girl-chicken for the first two or three weeks of my
                existence and then...)
            • Gość: erwas Re: Question?? IP: 12.96.204.* 21.11.02, 18:23
              and to me this 'ere seems to be be an ideal place to run into you, also.
              I do get swept up in the turmoil of life around me which explains my writing
              lapses.
              erwas
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