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Poles Vote Yes to Joining European Union

IP: *.warszawa.sdi.tpnet.pl 09.06.03, 08:02
The New York Times
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June 9, 2003


Poles Vote Yes to Joining European Union

By PETER S. GREEN


WARSAW, June 8 2003 Bidding a final farewell to their country's Communist past, Polish voters overwhelmingly approved entry into the European Union today in a nationwide referendum, but a down-to-the-wire finish left many supporters of membership fearful until the final minutes that low turnout might make the referendum invalid.

The strong yes vote gives President Aleksander Kwasniewski popular approval to ratify Poland's accession treaty to the European Union, which was signed at a summit meeting in Athens in April. "We are returning to the great European family," Mr.
Kwasniewski (pronounced kvash-NYEFF-skee) said triumphantly on television. "We are returning to the place which Poles and Poland deserve in 1,000 years of history."

The approval by Poland, with 39 million people, was widely seen as the last remaining hurdle to plans to unite the former Soviet allies with the 15 Western members of the union. The expansion's architects hope to create a common market reaching from the
Atlantic to the border of Russia.

Surveys of voters leaving the polls showed that turnout in the two-day ballot crossed the necessary 50 percent threshold only an hour before polls closed. Preliminary results tonight show 78.02 percent of voters backed accession to the European Union
and 21.98 percent voted no, the State Election Commission announced just before midnight. It said the turnout reached 59.6 percent.

In the streets of Warsaw, Poles danced and celebrated.

"Yes!" screamed Marta Bockowska, 23, when asked if she was happy with the results. "I know that at first it will be really hard. The union will not be a paradise, but we can't forget we are squeezed between Germany and Russia."

On the steps of Warsaw's Great Theater, a choir sang Schiller's "Ode to Joy," from Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, the adopted anthem of the European Union.

In Brussels, the European Commission, the union's executive arm, hailed the Polish vote as "a turning point in European history."

Poland is one of eight former Communist countries, along with Malta and Cyprus, invited last December to join the European Union by May 2004. So far, seven candidates have held referendums, all affirming membership.

A feeble 17.3 percent of voters turned out on Saturday in the first day of balloting, but this evening brought a rush by many voters who had spent a balmy weekend in the countryside.

"It's not the last minute; We were away for the weekend," said Bogdan Kliment, a corporate executive, as he rushed to a polling station in Warsaw's Orsinow district an hour and 15 minutes before the polls closed.

"There is no other choice for Poland," he said. "It will mean better opportunities for our children, and the common economy is better for all of us." Despite a ban on campaigning during the vote, the newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza published an extra edition
today with the headline "Twice as Many Must Go," encouraging voters to cast their ballots. Poland's 10 million cellphone users received messages reminding them how long they had left to vote, while museums and art galleries offered free admission to
keep city voters from missing voting by heading to the country, Reuters reported.

Political analysts credited Pope John Paul II with pushing the turnout above the 50 percent bar. Populist political parties and many priests in this strongly Roman Catholic and often deeply conservative country had urged parishioners to stay away from
the polls.

They feared the European Union's relaxed stance on abortion, gay rights, divorce and pre-marital sex would undermine Poland's national morality and see its national identity, only recently recovered from four decades of Soviet domination, dissolved in
the multi-ethnic union.

A pastoral letter from the pope, who was born in Poland, read in churches across the country last weekend called on Poles to cast their ballots for joining the union, and called Poland's planned membership "an act of historic justice."

"The voice of the pope was probably one of the major factors in the success" of the referendum, Marek Krol, editor of the weekly news magazine Wprost, said in an interview.

But Mr. Krol warned that Poland still faced major obstacles before it would be fully ready to join. The popularity of Prime Minister Leszek Miller has plunged below 18 percent, and his left-wing coalition government is plagued by dissent over economic
reform and political infighting, and recently lost its parliametnary majority.

On Monday, the government is to meet to discuss sweeping budget reforms that are expected to include speeding up privatization and cutting subsidies to mines, railroads and other money-losing state enterprises.

Danuta Huebner, the government's minister for European Integration, warned that the yes vote was only one step. "We have to be well prepared for membership, so there is still a lot of work ahead of us," she said.

Economists say that with an average income only 42 percent of the European Union average, Poland would not have been able to catch up to Western standards outside the bloc. Unemployment remains above 18 percent, and the economy is expected to grow at
only 2.5 to 2.7 percent this year, far below the government's expected 3.5 percent rate.

The leaders of Poland's two main populist parties, who vehemently opposed membership, accepted the legitimacy of the vote, but warned that adapting to the European Union would be difficult and costly for many.

Poland's two millon subsistance farmers, a strong political group, will face big changes, and most elderly people are expected to see their already small pensions shrink further.

Among the more curious sights of the referendum was the appearance of Poland's last Communist leader, Gen. Wojciech Jaruzelski, 79, who told journalists after casting his ballot that if someone had predicted this would happen 20 years ago, "I would have
said that it is science fiction, the theater of the absurd."

"But that's it," he went on, "the beauty of life. Realities change, domestically, internationally, historically. It's a new reality and you have to take it into account. I took account of it by voting for Poland's entry into the E.U."


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    • perk Old Europe, watch out! 09.06.03, 08:22
      long, but well worth a read

      www.bhhrg.org/CountryReport.asp?ChapterID=595&CountryID=56&ReportID=193&keyword=

      so is this:

      www.nationalpost.com/search/site/story.asp?id=EC4AD553-8A1D-4324-8D37-A99B2DFF9F85
      • Gość: chickenShorts Re: Old Europe, watch out! IP: *.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr 09.06.03, 10:20

        YES!!!

        ...if only to rid the country of this sheep mentality:
        "Every day for the past week in Warsaw's city centre, a bunch of middle-aged
        Roman Catholics have been kneeling on the pavement outside the Church of the
        Visitation praying for a miracle.
        When polling stations open across Poland this morning for the biggest decision
        this country has faced since leading eastern Europe's anti-communist and anti-
        Russian revolutions 14 years ago, the genuflecting crowd is hoping for divine
        intercession to save Poland from the godless Eurocrats of Brussels.

        "The European Union is a creature that is unchristian. It tolerates euthanasia
        and homosexual couples within its borders," explained Adam, a 33-year-old
        theology student."

        Unchristian?... I certainly hope so!

        www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,972454,00.html
        • glory Re: Old Europe, watch out! 09.06.03, 12:27
          Unchristian?
          You know my friend, I'm easy going regarding religion wise, and I don't really
          care about it. But for the sake of all this milions of catholics who live in
          Poland, (hey now Europe), tell us what's your problem?. I understand some of
          them are crazy fuckers, animal procreaters (KK), sperm donors and dads wishing
          to be a mum. But don't create such a mess around, and don't be such an
          offendent asshole. Otherwise I'm going to talk about you to my local catholic
          priest! I'm warning you!
        • butter_fly Re: Old Europe, watch out! 09.06.03, 14:05
          Gość portalu: chickenShorts napisał(a):

          >
          > Unchristian?... I certainly hope so!
          >
          Christian or unchristian? Gosh, and what difference does it make? Or are you as
          fanatical about it as that young perhaps a priest-to-be?
          • glory Re: Old Europe, watch out! 09.06.03, 14:35
            This is it!. Well done B.Fly. Good question!
            And I will add more cH: Where is Your balance?.
            • Gość: awalk Re: Old Europe, watch out! IP: *.warszawa.sdi.tpnet.pl 09.06.03, 16:12
              glory go to hell with your balance. The other day I wanted to take part in a meeting with our councilmen to talk about our community problems and guess what, where did they organize it? -in the local church. I was so furious I didn't go. My wife went anyway. When she came back she told me they'd sung religious songs and talked about Warsaw's Uprising. Now, what balance are you talking about glory? The balance and common sense in Poland have been lost a long time ago and I've got this feeling they will not return soon.
              • glory Re: Old Europe, watch out! 09.06.03, 17:20
                I can 't believe in lack of respect you show towards our local church. Shame
                on you!. OK,ok I'm only joking!. But what, did you just arrive from the moon?
                All I'm saying is let's have some respect.
                • glory Re: Old Europe, watch out! 09.06.03, 17:30
                  And one more thing awalk, Warsaw's uprising. Young people like you or us in
                  that case didn't have a chance to talk rubbish like we do on this forum.
                  They fighted for their lives and the country. Does anyone understand that?
                  • Gość: awalk Re: Old Europe, watch out! IP: *.warszawa.sdi.tpnet.pl 09.06.03, 20:46
                    glory napisał:

                    > And one more thing awalk, Warsaw's uprising. Young people like you or us in
                    > that case didn't have a chance to talk rubbish like we do on this forum.
                    > They fighted for their lives and the country. Does anyone understand that?

                    But of course I do respect the people who fought in Warsaw's Uprising glory. It's just that in a meeting with our councilmen we should talk about our community, how to improve it etc. and not our history. And btw I think the young people who fought Germans talked rubbish because they were young and all young people in the World talk rubbish because they are young and it is a very human thing to do. So don't despair and cheer up. :)
              • Gość: chickenShorts Re: Old Europe, watch out! IP: *.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr 09.06.03, 17:22
                Gość portalu: awalk napisał(a):

                > glory go to hell with your balance. The other day I wanted to take part in a
                me
                > eting with our councilmen to talk about our community problems and guess
                what,
                > where did they organize it? -in the local church. I was so furious I didn't
                go.
                > My wife went anyway. When she came back she told me they'd sung religious
                song
                > s and talked about Warsaw's Uprising. Now, what balance are you talking about
                g
                > lory? The balance and common sense in Poland have been lost a long time ago
                and
                > I've got this feeling they will not return soon.


                "The balance and common sense in Poland have been lost..."
                Absolutely!
                And since the catalyzing role of the church in this rapid process of the
                nation going gaga is beyond doubt, anything that weakens that power is good for
                the country!
                • Gość: awalk Re: Old Europe, watch out! IP: *.warszawa.sdi.tpnet.pl 09.06.03, 19:53
                  > "The balance and common sense in Poland have been lost..."
                  were lost is the correct form here of course :)
                  • glory Re: Old Europe, watch out! 10.06.03, 08:58
                    You're right awalk. I'm not young any more and I'm still talking rubbish.
                    Eh, what the hell, as long as we understand each other more or less, we Poles
                    will be fine. And further more let's show to the whole world that we can be
                    united, free from the past hangover. Jeeezzz, I think I'm talking such a
                    bullshit right now, because I've been struggling from humanges hangover from
                    last night.
                    • brookie Re: Old Europe, watch out! 10.06.03, 10:51
                      The balance between grumpy retired people and young generation has been lost.
                      Generation gap, what can we do? Old pricks should not decide of the future of
                      their country because they're always looking back. It's for a new generation
                      to decide. Priests and catholics ( I mean Liga Polskich Splodzin ) shouldn't
                      be allowed to vote as they are keeping a low profile and sticking to their
                      faith. The faith won't lead you anywhere except the church.
                      • glory Re: Old Europe, watch out! 10.06.03, 13:04
                        Old pricks??. Are you talking to me?.
                        Listen guys, don't listen to that crap.
                        Brookie is the young chick looking for the oil man. I wasn't good enough for
                        her, I was only the whisky man.
                        And even she comes from the old good Texas, whisky drinking state I wasn't
                        good for her. Why???.
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