Wczorajsza wycinanka he he he

[filipek.us]

Gazeta.pl : Forum : Polonia:

"Gość portalu: joanna napisał(a):

> to jest poezja. i obowiazkowa lektura dla mojego potomstwa na pozniejsze
lata.
> mam nadzieje na przeklad na angielski later on : )

Klient nasz pan.
SW

==========

On Governance, Reign and Breams - the Vilification of Polonia


No one with a grown-up experience of life in Poland under the Communist rule
should have the slightest difficulty in recognising propaganda techniques
used
today to demonise the global Polish diaspora, collectively known as Polonia.
We had once known this surreal, Orwellian newspeak quite well, as a so-
called "propaganda of success", at its peak in the late 1970's. No Communist
apparatchik would be without it then, just as no Polish politician would now,
for this crude mixture of agitprop, stick and carrot delivers unprecedented
social control.

The political class of today's Poland has no personal experience of state
power
exercised in any way, shape or form other than the pre-1989 Communist fetish
of social control. To them, social control is what prevents the sky from
falling down. Accordingly, they firmly believe it is the control that defines
the state, and not the other way round. Strong strings must be attached to
subjects, and state puppet masters must pull them as they see fit, and there
is
no other way about it.

The notion of responsible exercise of power that spawned the checks and
balances of Anglo-Saxon democracies is a culturally allien invention,
incomprehensible to Polish politicians. The enjoyment of holding power in
Poland is the enjoyment of unfettered power.

Neither the politicos nor the mind managers of Poland have ever mastered the
true meaning of a difference between governance and reign. To them, it has
been obvious since the time they ruled the kindergarten yard, that governance
means giving orders and enforcing compliance; there is nothing more to it and
there is no other way.

The reign masquerading as governance of Poland involves manipulation of state
powers to compel individual behaviour of subjects for personal benefit of the
rulers. Reaching any defined goals is not the principal objective of the
reign.
Its principal aim, and principal pleasure, is to repeatedly demonstrate the
extent of subordination of the ruled to the rulers, mainly by devising and
enforcing laws and regulations intricate to the point of baroque in their
micro-
management of everything. Naturally, the rulers, their friends, business
partners and relatives need not comply. This results in construction of
gigantic and exquisite Potemkin villages of corruption, presented for foreign
consumption as cornerstones of democracy.

To convince the Polish electorate they are winners in ongoing transformation
from Communism, and beneficiaries of the wise and kind rule of a sage
President
of All Poles, a reference standard of loser must be created. Every last Pole
in
Poland must know what a loser is, before he or she can feel a morally
superior
winner. An image of a miserable emigré, holed up like a rat in faraway
ghettoes
of poverty, eking out a miserable existence through backbreaking manual
labour,
is subtly promoted in order to create the standard against which just about
any excess of Poland's robber barons will appear a success. To deal with
professionals in the diaspora, an image of a greedy renegade, unwilling to
support the beloved Motherland, will do just as nicely.

Casting members of the diaspora as either rats or renegade Scrooges improves
the Polish domestic electorate's self-esteem no end. Obviously, if the
diaspora
outside Poland are sewer rats or traitors, then those in Poland must
necessarily be patriotic Poles and economic tigers of New Europe, must they
not? Well, if not tigers, at least smart weasels in shiny coats.

However, when the primary premise is deliberately faulty, the conclusion
derived from it must inevitably fail. In reality, the Poles in Poland are in
the same rat race as those abroad held out to them as dead end, bottom-layer
losers; except the Polish domestic version of the race is much tougher, with
more stick and less cheese. The much reviled 'rat Poles' of Greenpoint, NY,
are about as representative of the Polish diaspora as dumpster scavengers of
Warsaw are of Poland.

The secondary objective of diaspora vilification is the propaganda run-up to
a
forthcoming experiment in taxation without representation. Everybody in
Poland
knows by now that the rats have had it too good for too long. And every Pole
in
the West can well guess that Poland's appetite for free cash, with no strings
attached, is exactly the same it has always been - unlimited.

A social mindset is being created in Poland that may eventually allow a
declaration, at an as yet undetermined point in the future, that any and all
individuals of Polish birth of origin, irrespective of their place of
residence
or acquired nationality, their children, heirs and successors, all owe their
dues to the distant Motherland. A 10% global tithe would go a long way
towards
provision of comforts to 600 thousand state officials, members of the
byzantine
local government, Young Communists League apparatchiks struck by the
revelation
of social democracy in their middle age, and jackbooted nationalist
populists,
decidedly brownish going on deeper and deeper black in their hue of shirts.

Such a development would see many dancing in the streets of Poland. The
economic tigers of New Europe (20% unemployment at the last count) truly
adore
the taste of free cash, courtesy of foreign suckers. The Polish modern slang
for sucker is "leszcz", bream. Bream is a species of fat, tasty, and
exceptionally stupid freshwater fish. Honest work, just reward and personal
sacrifice do not taste nearly as sweet in Poland as a good bream does.

The prospect of turning the most or the whole of the Polish diaspora against
Poland by such a move is of no consequence to the political class. There will
be enough breams forced to pay by tugging the emotional strings tying them to
ancestral graves and ailing old parents in Poland to make the whole thing
profitable.

Altogether, my mood at all this is one of pervasive sadness.

The contours of old Communist Poland remain in plain view under a hastily
applied thin veneer of democracy. The Polish President, an enthusiastic
Communist Party apparatchik until the day his Party sank from under him,
declares his happiness with "OUR decision to fight Communism". My friends
left
behind are increasingly inclined to accept I must have become a rat, since
they
all know that my business skills are insufficient for a rich renegade.

And tertium non datur.



© Stary Wiarus 2004
Unlimited copying and distribution are allowed, with attribution to the
source."

czyzby wiarus...

[lymeryk]

...nie napisal nic ciekawszego w miedzyczasie?

forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=44&w=10809423&a=10810091
) No one with a grown-up experience of life in Poland under the Communist rule
) should have the slightest difficulty in recognising propaganda techniques
) used today to demonise the global Polish diaspora,
i was born and grew up in communist Poland
however, i have not noticed recently
any systematic demonisation (???) of Polonia by political parties in Poland
can you provide some prove of that? links?

) collectively known as
) Polonia. We had once known this surreal, Orwellian newspeak quite well, as a
) so-called "propaganda of success",
wake up little fella "propaganda of success" was not invented nor it is
applied right now in Poland, media in Poland are as critical of polish
politicians and government as media in other democratic countries
take the example of USA, where only now media is starting to be slightly
critical of US gov treatment of Iraq's WMD and subsequent war

) at its peak in the late 1970's. No
) Communist apparatchik would be without it then, just as no Polish politician
) would now, for this crude mixture of agitprop, stick and carrot delivers
) unprecedented social control.
obviously you know a lot about 1970's and "propaganda of success" i
wonder how come?
and how come that you got out of the country at the time
that getting passport was impossible for anybody but apartchicks


)
) The political class of today's Poland has no personal experience of state
) power exercised in any way, shape or form other than the pre-1989 Communist
) fetish of social control.
what do you know obout political class of today's Poland?
have you been to Poland lately? have you talked with politicians?
what are your sources? other than your beloved tabloid "Super Express" ?

) To them, social control is what prevents the sky
) from falling down. Accordingly, they firmly believe it is the control that
) defines the state, and not the other way round. Strong strings must be
) attached to subjects, and state puppet masters must pull them as they see
) fit, and there is no other way about it.
flaky statements without any supporting argument
sounds like some kind of marxism vomits forcefully applied to the times that
you don't understand

)
) The notion of responsible exercise of power that spawned the checks and
) balances of Anglo-Saxon democracies is a culturally allien invention,
it might be allien to your culture, it is certainly not alien to
Poland that belongs to NATO and enters EU
somehow your claims just don't stand a chance with well known facts!
i wonder what is driving you?

) incomprehensible to Polish politicians. The enjoyment of holding power in
) Poland is the enjoyment of unfettered power.
are you trying to tell everybody that politicians in all countries with
the exception of Poland are angels without any hidden agenda?
your feeble intelectual considerations are nothing else but lightly veiled
demonisation of polish political life
what is really interesting that you don't even differentiate between different
political parties and movements, for you it is enough that they
are polish (!) politicians to indiscrimnately and hatefuly spit on them
why to you hate Poland, polish culture and people, and specially polish
politicians?
do you have any political ambitions of yourself
why don't you try to run for a political office and let see how many votes you
will get?

)
) Neither the politicos nor the mind managers of Poland have ever mastered the
) true meaning of a difference between governance and reign. To them, it has
) been obvious since the time they ruled the kindergarten yard, that governance
) means giving orders and enforcing compliance; there is nothing more to it and
) there is no other way.
wow, you must be practising essay writing you sound so agitated and pathetic
what do you mean of "other way" is it done differently in Australia?
what has Australia done to Aboriginals boat people?
could you explain how are australian politicians and police handling Redfern?


)
) The reign masquerading as governance of Poland involves manipulation of state
) powers to compel individual behaviour of subjects for personal benefit of the
) rulers. Reaching any defined goals is not the principal objective of the
) reign. Its principal aim, and principal pleasure, is to repeatedly
) demonstrate the extent of subordination of the ruled to the rulers, mainly by
) devising and enforcing laws and regulations intricate to the point of baroque
) in their micro-management of everything. Naturally, the rulers, their
) friends, business partners and relatives need not comply. This results in
) construction of gigantic and exquisite Potemkin villages of corruption,
) presented for foreign consumption as cornerstones of democracy.
)
) To convince the Polish electorate they are winners in ongoing transformation
) from Communism, and beneficiaries of the wise and kind rule of a sage
) President of All Poles, a reference standard of loser must be created. Every
) last Pole in Poland must know what a loser is, before he or she can feel a
) morally superior winner. An image of a miserable emigré, holed up like a rat
) in faraway ghettoes of poverty, eking out a miserable existence through
) backbreaking manual labour, is subtly promoted in order to create the
) standard against which just about any excess of Poland's robber barons will
) appear a success. To deal with professionals in the diaspora, an image of a
) greedy renegade, unwilling to support the beloved Motherland, will do just as
) nicely.
)
(sorry but i must skip most of your ranting due to lack of time)


) Casting members of the diaspora as either rats or renegade Scrooges improves
) the Polish domestic electorate's self-esteem no end. Obviously, if the
) diaspora outside Poland are sewer rats or traitors, then those in Poland must
) necessarily be patriotic Poles and economic tigers of New Europe, must they
) not? Well, if not tigers, at least smart weasels in shiny coats.
)
) However, when the primary premise is deliberately faulty, the conclusion
) derived from it must inevitably fail. In reality, the Poles in Poland are in
) the same rat race as those abroad held out to them as dead end, bottom-layer
) losers; except the Polish domestic version of the race is much tougher, with
) more stick and less cheese. The much reviled 'rat Poles' of Greenpoint, NY,
) are about as representative of the Polish diaspora as dumpster scavengers of
) Warsaw are of Poland.
you are a great "humanist" but only your own sick and hateful mind
you obviously draw great pleasure from all these derogatory animalistic
comparisons
this is your hymn that you must be repeating through your clenched teeth over
and over again 'rat Poles' 'rat Poles' 'rat Poles'
this term defines the best your "philosophy", philosphy of hate

"on gloomy visions of bottom feeders"

[lymeryk]

forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=44&w=10809423&a=10832700

"my previously lost second part of my reply, hope it works this time

> The secondary objective of diaspora vilification is the propaganda run-up to
> a forthcoming experiment in taxation without representation. Everybody in
> Poland knows by now that the rats have had it too good for too long. And
> every Pole in the West can well guess that Poland's appetite for free cash,
> with no strings attached, is exactly the same it has always been - unlimited.
wiarus do you really believe that all the media in Poland is still in the
hands of communists? just simple yes or no would suffice and
would help me to understand where are you coming from


>
> A social mindset is being created
who is creating so called 'social mindset', or should i restate the
question into a form that you might be better familiar with:
who is behind this?
so far the only person creating this mindset is YOU and this is purely
your mindset (which in itself is a clear overstatement)

> in Poland that may eventually allow a
> declaration, at an as yet undetermined point in the future, that any and all
> individuals of Polish birth of origin, irrespective of their place of
> residence or acquired nationality, their children, heirs and successors, all
> owe their dues to the distant Motherland.
be specific, what do you mean by
"yet undetermined point in the future" it sounds like never ever
what is a point to write about something that will never happen?
do you want to scare people with your Cassandra vision of the world that
does not and will not exist?


> A 10% global tithe would go a long
> way towards provision of comforts to 600 thousand state officials, members of
> the byzantine local government, Young Communists League apparatchiks struck
> by the revelation of social democracy in their middle age, and jackbooted
> nationalist populists, decidedly brownish going on deeper and deeper black in
> their hue of shirts.
ok, wiarus now i am getting it, you are a aspiring science-fiction writer
and you are having hard time to get recognized by anybody but
few bored and obviously neglected Hausfrauen on this obscure forum
don't loose your hope, work hard and sooner or later
somebody in the real world will notice you and offer you a few warm words
of encouragement and possibly warm meal!


>
> Such a development would see many dancing in the streets of Poland. The
> economic tigers of New Europe (20% unemployment at the last count) truly
> adore the taste of free cash, courtesy of foreign suckers. The Polish modern
> slang for sucker is "leszcz", bream. Bream is a species of fat, tasty, and
> exceptionally stupid freshwater fish. Honest work, just reward and personal
> sacrifice do not taste nearly as sweet in Poland as a good bream does.
wiarus, did you ever ate fish with hard to pronounce name "leszcz"
i can assure you they are not "exceptionally stupid", somebody
(possibly on purpose) must be misleading you
Leszcz is just a simple fish that want to live like any other fish,
and it is absolutely not true that they are very tasty
they are just about at the very bottom of the taste pyramid.
They taste dull and often smell like bottom feeders,
and you certainly now something about that, do you?

>
> The prospect of turning the most or the whole of the Polish diaspora against
> Poland by such a move is of no consequence to the political class. There will
> be enough breams forced to pay by tugging the emotional strings tying them
> to ancestral graves and ailing old parents in Poland to make the whole thing
> profitable.
wiarus, wake up, nobody gives a damn about Polonia in Poland and vice versa
the only connections are on the sentimental and family level
and please leave "ailing old parents" out of that, it is really not necessary
to
make a political buck on their backs


>
> Altogether, my mood at all this is one of pervasive sadness.
well, i would be sad myself, having all this pessimistic visions,
day after day, night after night,
those sleepless nights must be specially hard on you
is your air conditioning working? Recently we are having lots of complaints
from AU about terrible hot clammy weather and not
working AC


>
> The contours of old Communist Poland remain in plain view under a hastily
> applied thin veneer of democracy. The Polish President, an enthusiastic
> Communist Party apparatchik until the day his Party sank from under him,
> declares his happiness with "OUR decision to fight Communism". My friends
> left behind are increasingly inclined to accept I must have become a rat,
> since they all know that my business skills are insufficient for a rich
> renegade.
wiarus, Poland is no longer communist, there are still communists in Poland
and there are many that used to be members of communist party
now they have changed their alliances because their are pragmatic and because
their are conformists, and there is nothing you can do about that
morally these people deserve condemnation, beyond that there is little
anybody can do
fortunately there are many new political parties and movements in Poland
none of them perfect but that is how democracy works,
democracy is specially difficult in country that is so poor and was
for so long under foreign control or occupation
and attacking indiscriminately polish democracy is very disgraceful indeed


>
> And tertium non datur.
wow, you are such an cultured man, what does this mean?

anyway, if you have some supportive arguments for you pessimistic ranting
let me know

and of course have a nice day "

analizy lymeryczne

[filipek.us]

analityk lymeryk lansuje wujka turystę:
wujek

[filipek.us]

...nie napisal nic ciekawszego w miedzyczasie?
_______________________

ależ napisał, napisał i owszem, tylko jeszcze tego nie wycięli he he he
forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=44&w=14095241&a=14286713

[lymeryk]

hmm... smutny ten post wiarusa, tyle tekstu aby udowodnic, ze
dostanie paszportu w Polsce jest ciagle niemozliwoscia
...i nawet mu nikt nie odpisal!!!
co za ponury koniec dla tak pieknie kiedys rozwijajacej sie sekty
religijno-paszportowej,
teraz pozostal chyba juz tylko statek kosmiczny lub Jonestown

jezeli chodzi o te nieszczesne paszporty, to wg prasy polskiej czeka sie 4 tyg,
lub 2tyg i mniej w tzw trybie przyspieszonym,
no ale wiarus czyta tylko strone kryminalno-sensacyjna na www.SE.pl
tak wiec mogl niechcacy przeoczyc ten niepasujacy do teorii fakt

prasa polska donosi o roczku z okładem

[filipek.us]

lymeryk nałgał jak z nut:

> hmm... smutny ten post wiarusa, tyle tekstu aby udowodnic, ze
> dostanie paszportu w Polsce jest ciagle niemozliwoscia
> ...i nawet mu nikt nie odpisal!!!
> co za ponury koniec dla tak pieknie kiedys rozwijajacej sie sekty
> religijno-paszportowej,
> teraz pozostal chyba juz tylko statek kosmiczny lub Jonestown
>
> jezeli chodzi o te nieszczesne paszporty, to wg prasy polskiej czeka sie 4
tyg,lub 2tyg i mniej w tzw trybie przyspieszonym,
> no ale wiarus czyta tylko strone kryminalno-sensacyjna na www.SE.pl
> tak wiec mogl niechcacy przeoczyc ten niepasujacy do teorii fakt
____________________________

forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=44&w=14095241&a=14257628
No niezuełnie, koteńku, bo nowojorska prasa polska donosi o roczku z okładem he
he he A jak dodamy do tego PESELek to zbierze się na dwa latka. A jak rozwodzik
napatoczy się nieumiejscowiony, to i o trzeci roczek zahaczy. Że nie wspomnę o
pozwolonku na roczną służbę wojskową w armii US lub RUS he he he Jonestown
pozostał Czarneckiemu z Pastusiakiem he he he

poczta 6 tyg

[lymeryk]

filipek.us napisał:

> lymeryk nałgał jak z nut:
>
> > hmm... smutny ten post wiarusa, tyle tekstu aby udowodnic, ze
> > dostanie paszportu w Polsce jest ciagle niemozliwoscia
> > ...i nawet mu nikt nie odpisal!!!
> > co za ponury koniec dla tak pieknie kiedys rozwijajacej sie sekty
> > religijno-paszportowej,
> > teraz pozostal chyba juz tylko statek kosmiczny lub Jonestown
> >
> > jezeli chodzi o te nieszczesne paszporty, to wg prasy polskiej czeka sie
> 4
> tyg,lub 2tyg i mniej w tzw trybie przyspieszonym,
> > no ale wiarus czyta tylko strone kryminalno-sensacyjna na www.SE.pl
> > tak wiec mogl niechcacy przeoczyc ten niepasujacy do teorii fakt
> ____________________________
>
> forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=44&w=14095241&a=14257628
> No niezuełnie, koteńku, bo nowojorska prasa polska donosi o roczku z okładem
he
>
> he he A jak dodamy do tego PESELek to zbierze się na dwa latka. A jak
rozwodzik
>
> napatoczy się nieumiejscowiony, to i o trzeci roczek zahaczy. Że nie wspomnę
o
> pozwolonku na roczną służbę wojskową w armii US lub RUS he he he Jonestown
> pozostał Czarneckiemu z Pastusiakiem he he he

dla palantow, ktorzy nie potrafia wypelnic wniosku roczek to i tak krotko
przypadki specjalne to inna sprawa, ale to nie one tworza statystyke
Pastusiaka mozesz wyslac gdzie chcesz ja ci chetnie w tym pomoge

serwisy.gazeta.pl/turystyka/1,50562,1494182.html?as=1&ias=3

"Nie stój w kolejce po paszport! Wypełnij wniosek i wyślij go pocztą

Nie masz paszportu? Upływa termin jego ważności? Załatwienie formalności może
być bardzo proste, bo od ubiegłego roku wnioski paszportowe można wysyłać
pocztą.
...
Wniosek paszportowy wysyłasz do swojego urzędu wojewódzkiego (możesz oczywiście
złożyć go tam osobiście). Sprawdź dokładnie, co wpisałeś we wniosku. Jeśli
wszystko się zgadza, włóż wniosek do koperty (pamiętaj o zdjęciach i dowodzie
wpłaty) i wrzuć do skrzynki (a najlepiej wyślij listem poleconym). Na kopercie
dopisz: "Wniosek paszportowy".

Po sześciu tygodniach dowiaduj się, czy twój nowy paszport jest już gotowy.
Uwaga! Paszport musisz odebrać osobiście! Nie zapomnij dowodu osobistego (bez
niego nie wydadzą ci paszportu)."

czysta paranoja z paszportami Polaków zamieszkałyc

[Gość: Woj Łącz z Polonią]

Gazeta.pl : Forum : Turystyka:

"Gość portalu: Ewcia napisał(a):

> A co z Polakami mieszkajacymi za granica,czy tez ich to
> obowiazuje,bylo by to naprawde ulatwienie dla nas
> wszystkich,ktorych Polska uwaza za Polakow,tylko zmienilismy
> miejsce zamieszkania,ale tez jestesmy prawnie obywatelami
> Polski,bo tak nas polski rzad uwaza,pozdrowienia z
> Kanady,Ewcia

A to, prosze szanownej Pani, zalezy od tego czy chamskie
nastawienie u pogranicznikow na Okeciu bedzie wymagane nadal,
po naszym przystapieniu do Unii. To jesli idzie o rodzimych
sprawdzaczy paszporcikow. Ich ponuractwo nie jest zalezne od
narodowosci osob przechodzacych przez kontrole. A w Europie
zachodniej, z wyjatkiem slawnego z chamowatego podejscia
brytyjskiego Immigration Service, problemu raczej nie ma. Po
naszym przystapieniu do Unii bedzie przechodzic pani w portach
brytyjskich przez bramke dla EU Citizens. Za rok Pani polski
paszport bedzie paszportem unijnym. Jest w Brukseli 24-o
godzinny awaryjny numer gdzie obywatele Unii moga prosic o
pomoc jezeli jakis pogranicznik zachowuje sie niewlasciwie
podczas kontroli.

Jezeli zas ma Pani paszport kanadyjski to moze sie znalezc
jakis rodzimy przyglup, kiedy Pani bedzie wracac do Kanady,
ktory zazada od Pani dokumentu polskiego. (Takie podobno sa
przepisy.) Nasi pogranicznicy jeszcze nie do konca rozumieja,
ze w swiecie cywilizowanym ludzie sobie po prostu podrozuja
kiedy chca i nic kontrolerom do tego. Ich zadaniem ma byc
ulatwienie naszych wojazy. Na pewno nastawienie to sie zmieni
na lepsze.



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jesli skladasz wniosek paszportowy w konsulacie w Sydney, oplata
wynosi 170 dolarow czyli ponad 400 zlotych. Po odbior prosze sie
zglosic za 6 miesiecy. Czysta paranoja. W dodatku Polacy
podrozujacy z australijskim paszportem musza placic za wize.
Chociaz wielu obcokrajowcow wjezdza do Polski bez wiz. W ten
sposob Trzecia Rzeczpospolita dba o Polonie. W Australii wnioski
sklada sie na poczcie, trwa to do 3 tygodni, ale w naglych
przypadkach mozna dostac paszport od reki. Po smierci matki
dostalem paszport w trzy godziny, nie kosztowalo mnie to centa
wiecej.
Wyglada na to, ze do Europy czy swiata nam daleko. Wyrobienie
dowodu trwa ponad miesiac, wiec praktycznie nie mam szans na
dowod, bo nigdy nie jestem w Polsce wiecej niz 2-3 tygodnie.



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Gość portalu: to ja napisał(a):

> jesli skladasz wniosek paszportowy w konsulacie w Sydney,
oplata
> wynosi 170 dolarow czyli ponad 400 zlotych. Po odbior prosze
sie
> zglosic za 6 miesiecy. Czysta paranoja. W dodatku Polacy
> podrozujacy z australijskim paszportem musza placic za wize.
> Chociaz wielu obcokrajowcow wjezdza do Polski bez wiz. W ten
> sposob Trzecia Rzeczpospolita dba o Polonie. W Australii
wnioski
> sklada sie na poczcie, trwa to do 3 tygodni, ale w naglych
> przypadkach mozna dostac paszport od reki. Po smierci matki
> dostalem paszport w trzy godziny, nie kosztowalo mnie to centa
> wiecej.
> Wyglada na to, ze do Europy czy swiata nam daleko. Wyrobienie
> dowodu trwa ponad miesiac, wiec praktycznie nie mam szans na
> dowod, bo nigdy nie jestem w Polsce wiecej niz 2-3 tygodnie.

Bardzo sluszne uwagi. A w kraju to jeszcze po odbior paszportu
trzeba sie udac osobiscie.

Na temat oplat konsularnych za paszporty mowiono juz wiele. W
Anglii w naglym przypadku tez mozna paszport angielski otrzymac
w przypadkach losowych w ciagu kilku godzin. Oplata bodajze £20
(zl 120 z groszami).

Ja zas musze sie pochwalic, ze z 10 lat temu otrzymalem
paszport w naszym kosulacie w Londynie w 40 minut. Ale mieli
papiery na miejscu. To nie musieli wszystkiego posylac do
Warszawy. W przypadkach losowych tez w Kosulacie RP w Londynie
zalatwiaja formalnosci raczej szybko. Placi sie jednak za to
bardzo duzo. Tam przyklad modelowy: Rodzina polonijna rodzice
plus trojka dzieci powyzej 16 lat chce sobie wyrobic paszporty
polskie w Londynie. Powodem wzgledy emocjonalne, bo maja
rowniez paszporty brytyjskie. Rachuneczek z konsulatu za te
patriotyczna przyjemnosc okolo 400 funtow. Mamy sezon letni.
Nasza patriotyczna rodzinka chce oczywiscie leciec "LOT-em".
Monopol "LOT" i British Airways liczy sobie po 200 funtow od
osoby. Zanim nasza patriotyczna rodzinka zacznie sumowac koszty
wakacyjnego pobytu w Polsce juz im na liczniku wybije
(paszporciki i bileciki "LOT-u") prawie 1500 funtow. Zakladamy
teraz jednak,ze nasza polonijna rodzinka nie cierpi na powazna
odchyle psychiczna. Rodzinka polonijna bedzie wiec miala w
dupie i te wygorowane oplaty paszportowe i monopolowe ceny "LOT-
u" (wyzsze od cen biletow okreznych na trasie Londyn - Nowy
Jork) i poleci sobie na paszportach brytyjskich na wycieczke do
USA i czy do Hiszpanii. Jak na razie autorzy cennika oplat
konsularnych w naszym MSW chyba zakladaja, ze Polonusi cierpia
na aberacje psychiczne. Obywatel angielski, ktory wyrabia sobie
paszport w poza Anglia nie placi ani pensa wiecej.


Europo, Europo przyjdz do nas jak naszybciej.



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h poza granicami.

Gość portalu: to ja napisał(a):

> ...... Po odbior prosze sie zglosic za 6 miesiecy. Czysta paranoja.

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Zlozyc podanie o paszport poczta w Polsce, odebrac przy nastepnym pobycie w Polsce.

[sedziwy666]

lymeryk napisał:

> hmm... smutny ten post wiarusa, tyle tekstu aby udowodnic, ze
> dostanie paszportu w Polsce jest ciagle niemozliwoscia
> ...i nawet mu nikt nie odpisal!!!
> co za ponury koniec dla tak pieknie kiedys rozwijajacej sie sekty
> religijno-paszportowej,
> teraz pozostal chyba juz tylko statek kosmiczny lub Jonestown
>
> jezeli chodzi o te nieszczesne paszporty, to wg prasy polskiej czeka sie 4
tyg,
>
> lub 2tyg i mniej w tzw trybie przyspieszonym,
> no ale wiarus czyta tylko strone kryminalno-sensacyjna na www.SE.pl
> tak wiec mogl niechcacy przeoczyc ten niepasujacy do teorii fakt

Pikne!!! Pikne!!! Pikne!!!
Bo chodzilo zawsze, i dalej chodzi, o wrety przy wydawaniu paszportow Polonii
za posrednictwem ambasad i konsulatow RP. W Polsce, jak masz wlaciwego koloru
dres, to do domu ci przyniosa.

Oops, wycinaczka wcale tego nie wycięła. Sorry.

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