ochrona srodowiska: co robicie co myslicie?

[gobietka]

jak wyglada ochrona srodowiska w waszym kraju zamieszkania
czy wystarczy lokalnie recycyling butelek i gazet
czy moze niektorzy mysla globalnie o greenhouse gases i global warming

akurat konferencja w Montrealu
duzo dyskusji, politycznych obietnic i wielkich slow
ale ciagle niewiele dzialania
nawet Kanada, ktorej premier podpisal Kyoto agreement i
ktorej politycy deklaruja politycznie poprawne obietnice
nic nie zrobila, Kanada wrecz truje wiecej niz kiedys
wycina lasy i generuje ilosci dwutlenku wegla najwieksze na swiecie na glowe
mieszkanca
Inne kraje nie lepiej, USA nawet nie chce podpisac Kyoto,
a bez globalnej kooperacji niewiele sie osiagnie

no i ciagle nie wiadomo czy global warming jest for real czy tez tylko
naukowa bzdura typu cold fusion

a ty co robisz?

[ontarian]

brunon na rowerze jezdzic zaczal
ty moze furmanka zacznij, co?

gobietka napisała:

> nic nie zrobila, Kanada wrecz truje wiecej niz kiedys
a skad te informacje, z palca?
moze jakiegos linka zapodasz?

> wycina lasy
zapominasz dopisac, ze rowniez nowe sadzi (nawet wiecej niz wycina)

> i generuje ilosci dwutlenku wegla najwieksze na swiecie na glowe
> mieszkanca
znowu z palca?

> Inne kraje nie lepiej, USA nawet nie chce podpisac Kyoto,
a co podpisy zmienia?
US nie podpisalo, ale najwiecej kasy wydaje
na badania i rozwoj nowych technologii

Kanada: slowa i czyny

[gobietka]

ontarian napisał:

>
> gobietka napisała:
>
> > nic nie zrobila, Kanada wrecz truje wiecej niz kiedys
> a skad te informacje, z palca?
> moze jakiegos linka zapodasz?
prosze bardzo:
www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20051128.wxemissions28/BNStory/National/

"Canada has vowed to cut its emissions by 6 per cent from its 1990 level over
the period from 2008 to 2012, but its emissions by the end of 2003 were up 24
per cent."

"Mr. Bramley said the United States is "actually ahead of Canada in just about
every area" of environmental policies used to curb emissions. And he said the
record of individual states "is far ahead of any province in Canada."





>
> > wycina lasy
> zapominasz dopisac, ze rowniez nowe sadzi (nawet wiecej niz wycina)
a dlaczego moze sadzic wiecej niz wycina?


>
> > i generuje ilosci dwutlenku wegla najwieksze na swiecie na glowe
> > mieszkanca
> znowu z palca?
slyszales o google? czy tylko o rowerach i furmance?


a to "duza czesc" artykulu, ktory jest tylko dla subsribers (w razie trudnosci
aby dotrzec do oryginalu, szukaj tytulu
"Canada's greenhouse-gas emissions increase"
w google i kliknij na link znaleziony przez google)

Canada's greenhouse-gas emissions increase
By MARTIN MITTELSTAEDT

Monday, November 28, 2005 Posted at 3:39 AM ESTKey

From Monday's Globe and Mail

Looking over the record of industrialized countries in controlling their
greenhouse-gas emissions is to see cases of the good, the bad and the downright
ugly.

Among the countries judged to be good are Germany and Britain. They're
undisputed leaders in showing the way for countries to curb their releases of
planet-warming gases. Unfortunately, Canada is listed among the ugly.

In preparation for this week's international climate summit in Montreal, the
UN's climate change secretariat has released a report on the progress, or lack
thereof, made by the 40 developed countries covered by the Kyoto Protocol.

Canada has vowed to cut its emissions by 6 per cent from its 1990 level over the
period from 2008 to 2012, but its emissions by the end of 2003 were up 24 per
cent.

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Federal Environment Minister Stéphane Dion attributes Canada's rise partly to
robust economic growth. The economy has grown by 43 per cent since 1990. Canada
is also being saddled with emissions from the booming energy industry, which is
exporting record amounts of oil and gas to the United States.

Mr. Dion said Canada is committed to meeting its Kyoto target and he predicted
it would soon start to show more progress. "At the end of the day in 2012, we'll
have far less emissions and also much more economic efficiency," he said.

Elizabeth May of the Sierra Club of Canada said some federal officials were so
nervous about the optics of Canada's record that they were initially reluctant
to agree to act as host to the UN climate conference for fear environmentalists
would use it to embarrass Ottawa.

"We're just going to give the [non-governmental organizations] a chance to treat
us like a pinata right before the world comes to Canada," Ms. May said about the
fears of some in the government.

Federal officials dispute Ms. May's account, but nonetheless, it's unlikely that
anyone will be mentioning Canada's record at the conference.

Conservation activists say they will be pulling their punches to help Mr. Dion
work on the most important item at the conference: starting talks on a new
climate regime to replace the Kyoto Protocol when it expires in 2012.

Ms. May said environmentalists will not be "beating up on our government. What
we're concerned about is getting real reductions globally before the Western
Antarctic ice sheet falls into the ocean."

Other countries are expected to cut Canada slack because it didn't follow the
United States and Australia out of Kyoto, and has remained committed to meeting
the protocol.

At first reading, the UN figures indicate that the industrialized world has made
considerable progress in fighting global warming.

By the end of 2003, emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases fell
an average of 5.9 per cent below their 1990 levels. That is more than Kyoto's
requirement for an average cut of 5.2 per cent.

But the report also shows that national performances are all over the map when
it comes to controlling planet-warming gases, mostly carbon dioxide and methane,
spewed from the burning of fossil fuels and other industrial activities.

The report shows that a huge, one-time greenhouse gas reduction occurred after
the economic collapse of the former Communist countries. The former East Bloc's
emissions fell from 5.7 billion tonnes in 1990 to 3.4 billion tonnes in 2003, a
stunning drop equivalent to eliminating three times Canada's total annual
contribution to warming the planet.

But since the early 1990s, most countries in the East and West have muddled
along, making little headway in weaning themselves from their fossil-fuel
dependency.

Excluding the former East Bloc, emissions among industrialized countries
actually rose 9.2 per cent between 1990 and 2003.

"The emissions from developed countries as a group have been stable in recent
years, and not decreased as they did in the early 1990s," Richard Kinley, acting
head of the UN's climate change secretariat, said in a statement.

He noted that some recent projections contain the worrisome prospect of emission
growth resuming by 2010.

Among the international leaders are Germany and Britain. Both have made huge
strides, with drops of more than 10 per cent each.

One surprise in the figures is that Canada's emission record is far worse than
even the United States, where the Bush administration has refused to ratify
Kyoto.

Mr. Bramley said the United States is "actually ahead of Canada in just about
every area" of environmental policies used to curb emissions. And he said the
record of individual states "is far ahead of any province in Canada."

Kyoto progress report

Changes in greenhouse gas emissions from developed countries, 1990-2003.

Over all among these countries there was a decrease in greenhouse gas emissions
of 5.9 per cent, from 18.4 billion tonnes CO² equivalent in 1990 to 17.3 billion
tonnes CO² equivalent in 2003.
Country Per cent
Spain +41.7
Monaco +37.8
Portugal +36.7
Greece +25.8
Ireland +25.6
Canada +24.2

[soup.nazi]

> Spain +41.7
> Monaco +37.8
> Portugal +36.7
> Greece +25.8
> Ireland +25.6
> Canada +24.2

To prawda, ze Kanada jest slodkopierdzaca w wielu sprawach, a za to malo
robiaca. W porownaniu z USA, bo przeciez nie bedziemy mowic o Polsce lub
Hiszpanii. Np. w USA wprowadzono spore ulgi podatkowe dla nabywcow hybryd, mimo,
ze buszystow tree huggerami nazwac na pewno nie mozna. Swietopierdzaca Kanada, z
podpisanym Kyoto, nie dala ani centa ulgi, mimo, ze sales tax w Kanadzie 2 razy
wyzsze, a hybrydy to tylko ulamek procenta rynku. Ale w Kanadzie mowienie o
ograniczeniu taksacji jest swietokradztwem i brakiem patriotyzmu. To tylko maly
przyklad, takich numerow kiedy co innego sie mowi, a co innego robi w Kanadzie
jest znacznie wiecej.

Ale tez to zestawienie z takimi przemyslowymi powerhouses jak Monaco,
Portugalia, i Grecja jest bez sensu. Tam nic nie wydzielaja, bo nic nie
produkuja, hehehe. To zadna sztuka.

Kanada to eliminate Bangaldesh

[gobietka]

zestawienie nie jest wg kto jest powerhouse czy nie tylko
wg procentow
reszta listy zostala ucieta, gdyz gazeta wyborcza odrzucala post
z error message:
"za duzo znakow binarnych"
chyba chodzi polskim geniuszom komputerowym o "+"i o "-"

a to nastepny link krytyczny o Kanadzie
www.davidsuzuki.org/Climate_Change/Kyoto/Canadian_Emissions.asp
"Canada is one of the greatest consumers of energy per capita, burning the
equivalent of roughly 7,700 litres of oil per person each year. This is roughly
50 times the consumption rate of Bangladesh, a country that stands to be
largely eliminated by climate change-induced sea level rise."


i reszta listy z poprzedniego postu
Changes in greenhouse gas emissions from developed countries, 1990-2003.

Over all among these countries there was a decrease in greenhouse gas emissions
of 5.9 per cent, from 18.4 billion tonnes CO² equivalent in 1990 to 17.3
billion tonnes CO² equivalent in 2003.

Country Per cent
Spain +41.7
Monaco +37.8
Portugal +36.7
Greece +25.8
Ireland +25.6
Canada +24.2
Australia +23.3
New Zealand +22.5
Finland +21.5
Austria +16.5
United States +13.3
Japan +12.8
Italy +11.5
Norway +9.3
Denmark +6.8
Liechtenstein +5.3
Netherlands +1.5
Belgium +1.3
Switzerland -0.4
European Union -1.4
Slovenia -1.9
France -1.9
Sweden -2.3
Croatia -6.0
Iceland -8.2
Britain -13.0
Luxembourg -16.1
Germany -18.2
Czech Republic -24.2
Slovakia -28.3
Hungary -31.9
Poland -34.4
Russian Federation -38.5
Belarus -44.4
Romania -46.1
Ukraine -46.2
Bulgaria -50.0
Estonia -50.8
Latvia -58.5
Lithuania -66.2

[kawalerowicz]

Oczywiscie, ze wszyscy lubia czystosc i wspaniale srodowisko. Ale w tej walce o
ochrone srodowiska wcale nie chodzi o czystoe srodowisko. Jak by im tak
zalezalo na czystosci, to wzieli by sie za wielkie bezduszne, bez osobowe
korporacje, ktore naprawde zanieczyszczaja. Jednak tak nie jest, bo interesuja
sie zawsze jednostka indywidualna. Szczegulnie ja ta jednostka chce zyc bez
zadnego udzialu w polityce, czy rzadzi. Wiec gdzie jest haczyk. Otuz panstwo
potrzebuje pretekstu zeby kontrolowac jednostke i oczywiscie pod tym pozorem
sciagac coraz wieksze podatki. Srodowisko naturalne uzywaja wszyscy, wiec jak
je zaczniemy panstwo regulowac, to mamy rzad w naszym prywatnym zyciu. Czy tego
chcemy? Czy o to nam chodzi jak dbamy o srodowisko naturalne?

PS Panstwo w wolnym kraju moze sie tylko wtracac do zycia prywatnego, jak osoba
prywatna zlamie prawo. Czy nie wyglada wam, ze prawa sie takie obecnie
zatwierdza, aby wlasnie jednostka musiala je lamac, bo inaczej zginie? Czyli
musi placic kary, pracowac w wiezeniu za darmo itd?