my life is in chaos and i ask you for info/advice!

[marcus_anglikiem]

this weekend my fiancee and I have broken up and so there's nothing left for
me to stay in stinky uk for and i'm planning my return to Poland (to Krakow).
Does anyone know what kind of legal complications i might face as a uk
citizen applying for a job in Poland? (most likely as a salesperson in a shop)

[nasza_maggie]

Marcuuuuuuuus awwwwwwwwwww

Complications? Work permit I guess?
Why a sales person??))

[marcus_anglikiem]

nasza_maggie napisała:

> Marcuuuuuuuus awwwwwwwwwww
>
> Complications? Work permit I guess?
> Why a sales person??))

ok. so, what do i need to do to get a work permit?
and... a salesperson 'cos i don't really feel like teaching again...
thank you for your reply Maggie

[babiana]

Keep strong!!!
As EU citizen you don't need work permit in order to work in Poland. Here you'll
find all information.
www.msz.gov.pl/Informacja,dla,obywateli,krajow,UE,i,EOG,przyjezdzajacych,do,Polski,1838.html

[nasza_maggie]

oh yes, the EU, I keep forgetting

[usenetposts]

nasza_maggie napisała:

> oh yes, the EU, I keep forgetting

Heh heh heh. You crack me up.

[usenetposts]

You don't need a work permit.

[hotlover]

marcus_anglikiem napisał:

> this weekend my fiancee and I have broken up and so there's nothing left for
> me to stay in stinky uk for and i'm planning my return to Poland

Congratulations to your ex-girlfriend. Maybe her life will get a bit more funny
now.

[marcus_anglikiem]

why do you say that?

[nasza_maggie]

to provoke you, probably.

[marcus_anglikiem]

nasza_maggie napisała:

> to provoke you, probably.

i'd like to hear hotlover's excuse for writing that.

[silverlode]

I am sorry to hear the bad news.
Why do you want to go to Poland??? I mean most of Polish people leave and try
to find jobs abroad (England!) because unemploement is so large in Poland. I
suppose it should be easier to find job in UK.
Anyway considering working in the shop try for start sth like H&M in any larger
city. I read Forum Moda occasionally and people had good opinions about that
place (working hours, rules, fair treatment etc)
chees, silverlode

[silverlode]

"cheers" of course .... speedy writing...

[marcus_anglikiem]

silverlode napisała:

> I am sorry to hear the bad news.

Thank you.

> Why do you want to go to Poland??? I mean most of Polish people leave and try
> to find jobs abroad (England!) because unemploement is so large in Poland. I
> suppose it should be easier to find job in UK.

well if i'll have a job in Poland then i'll have no reason to complain.

> Anyway considering working in the shop try for start sth like H&M in any
larger
>
> city. I read Forum Moda occasionally and people had good opinions about that
> place (working hours, rules, fair treatment etc)
> chees, silverlode
>
&thanks for the advice i saw an ad for a job in an 'international clothing
firm' - perhaps it could be H&M ? )

[marimax]

Don't worry mate.
If you are rich, tall and hansome you will find another woman very quickly or
she will find you.

[marcus_anglikiem]

marimax napisał:

> Don't worry mate.
> If you are rich, tall and hansome you will find another woman very quickly or
> she will find you.

as a shop worker i don't think i'll be rich ) thanks though. 1m84 and
handsome enough will have to suffice

[minimus]

> as a shop worker i don't think i'll be rich ) thanks though. 1m84 and
> handsome enough will have to suffice

Think positive m8. At least you won't have any probs finding clothes your
size

[marcus_anglikiem]

> Think positive m8. At least you won't have any probs finding clothes your
> size

Thank you. hey, there's an idea - i might even get a staff discount!
no really, thanks to all you who've taken the time to write something nice.
by the way, does anyone here on FLiP live in Krakow ?

[brookie]

Hi there! I hope you gonna find a good job i Krakow. It's such a beautiful city.
Lots of tourists and people may find your English being an advantage.
Take care.

[marimax]

If you are still in England why don't you find out how to become an english
teacher? Perhaps at your local college they have a course.
Poland need a lot of english teachers and this will not change for many many
years.

[marcus_anglikiem]

i have been an English teacher before, first in Swiebodzin ('02), then in
Slupsk and Koszalin ('03-'04). It's something i enjoyed, but i am not looking
for a job in teaching at this moment in time.

[hotlover]

marcus_anglikiem napisał:

> i have been an English teacher before, first in Swiebodzin ('02), then in
> Slupsk and Koszalin ('03-'04). It's something i enjoyed, but i am not looking
> for a job in teaching at this moment in time.


I think he meant a real teacher - not this callan codswallop!

[marcus_anglikiem]

well,say what you like about Callan,but whatever wonderful occupation you have
and great position you hold,you are still a person who tells strangers that
their ex's are better off without them; you're hopeless...

[usenetposts]

marcus_anglikiem napisał:

> well,say what you like about Callan,but whatever wonderful occupation you
have
> and great position you hold,you are still a person who tells strangers that
> their ex's are better off without them; you're hopeless...

You are simply being trolled by this person. I must warn hotlover that although
I am a tolerant moderator by nature, most of the guests here will not like this
sort of trolling and will ask me to ban hotlover if he goes too far.

I have stated my views on Callan and language learning in general in an article
at the top of Maggie's forum and under the link www.goldlist.eu and
maybe some of that will help you be a damn good English teacher, if it's what
you want to do.

[marcus_anglikiem]

usenetposts napisał:

> You are simply being trolled by [...] hotlover

what strange creatures these 'trolls' are!!! really.

[nasza_maggie]

Marcus

I am sure, there are agencies in the UK which help to find work in Poland.
Hmmm if not, how about google and 'jobs in Poland' or 'work in Poland' or maybe
a few of the polish employment agencies?
They may be surprised but it's worth a try

And as for women, well there's no point in me commenting because I am modest--

All dogs go to heaven...

[marcus_anglikiem]

nasza_maggie napisała:
>And as for women, well there's no point in me commenting because I am modest

..."jestes przeciez najpiekniejsza a na pewno najskromniejszaaa"...
( pozdrawiam wszystkich uwielbicieli ,,Lzy"! )

>Hmmm [...] how about google and 'jobs in Poland'
łaauł! that's given me something to do for several hours! thank you Maggie!

[marcus_anglikiem]

does anyone here work as a 'magazynier'? or know anyone who does?

[usenetposts]

I know quite a few as being an auditor I sometimes go to stocktake attendances.

What do you want to know?

[nasza_maggie]

Tell us how it's going Marcus Will we get a chance to meet you perhaps in a
Bar Mleczny in Kraków or in Piękny Pies as a barman or as a curator in the
Muzeum Narodowe?)

[marcus_anglikiem]

at the moment it's going nowhere... but then i've only managed to apply for a
couple of jobs so far... i don't know quite what i'd do in a Bar Mleczny?... a
barman i could be (& have been before) though it seems to me that's the kind
of job you can't really find from over here, only by going over there and
walking into a bar... as for a curator... i think i'd get bored once the
novelty of getting paid to chill and read books wore off...

[marcus_anglikiem]

> I know quite a few[...]

because i'd like to know more about what it's like to work as a 'magazynier',
it's one of the things i'm looking at.

[nasza_maggie]

Hmmmm to me a magazynier is one of those boys at Makro, who drive their fork
lift trucks like Kubica, between the shelves

[marcus_anglikiem]

so it's basically just unloading deliveries into storage? all day. ?

[usenetposts]

marcus_anglikiem napisał:

> so it's basically just unloading deliveries into storage? all day. ?

Of course not!

It's not all goods inward in the warehouse trade.

There's goods outward too.

You don't just write Goods Received Notes, you write Goods Issued Notes too.

That makes it twice as interesting.

[denagurgul]

Hi Marcus, I haven't read the entire message string, but I work in Executive Recruitment and if you send
me your CV, I might be able to direct you to the right project for your profile. Feel free to email me at
[e-mail]

take care,

Dena

[marcus_anglikiem]

denagurgul napisała:
I might be able to direct you to the right project for your profile
> . Feel free to email me at
> [e-mail]
>
> take care,
>
> Dena

Thank you very much Dena! I have sent you my CV. I hope it will be of use to
you.

[ianek70]

marcus_anglikiem napisał:

> does anyone here work as a 'magazynier'? or know anyone who does?

If that's a general term for warehouse work, then I've done it in Paisly and
London.
You unload things, load things, pick&pack, push a trolley round in circles for
an hour pretending you're working and generally deal with boxes. If it's a big
warehouse and you can stand it for more than 2 months they either put you in
charge of a banding machine or give you a position of responsibility (they
don't pay you any better, though), and the possibilities for skiving
and 'borrowing' goods are excellent.

I wouldn't do it for the Polish minimum wage, though (unless your pilfering
skills are excellent or you're planning on writing a novel whilst hiding behind
some crates pretending to count things).

And I can't do it in the UK now, because I'm overqualified, and they prefer
Eastern Europeans who are also overqualified, but who just shut up and do what
they're told. Folk who work in recruitment agencies have told me that this is
semi-official policy, and I know from experience that Poles with the same
education as me are accepted without question for unskilled jobs.

So maybe it's the same situation in Poland.

[babiana]

For the moment, then, the lure of higher wages in the UK is irresistible, not
just for middle-class professionals but also for anyone with ambition, prepared
to take a low-skilled job and improve their English. According to figures from
the Home Office, at least two-thirds of Polish immigrants in Britain take
society's lowest paid work. "In England I can earn five times as much as in
Poland," says Lukasz Nowak, a 24-year-old student boarding the bus to Anglia.
"I've never been in Britain before. But I'm going to stay with a friend. He's
promised to find me a job. Apparently it's easy." Can he speak English? "Nie."
Pawel Glijerski
In Poland: a fruit juice salesman
In Britain: drives a forklift truck for Tesco

"If you can speak English, it's easy to get a job in the UK," says Glijerski,
who since February has been in Milton Keynes working for Tesco's massive
distribution centre. Everything was organised before he stepped on the plane. He
spotted an advert in Gazeta Wyborska, Poland's bestselling newspaper, which
said, "Work in Great Britain! Excellent rates of pay!" alongside a freephone number.

Glijerski called and, thanks to his language skills and forklift truck licence,
soon had a job. Tesco organised everything, including shared accommodation at
£60 per week - more, as Glijerski notes wryly, than the going rate in the area.
Tesco's pay - just over £8 an hour - is good. A speculator with an excellent
economics degree, Glijerski is planning for the future, and much of his wages
are put aside to pay for two flats he bought off-plan in Wroclaw last year.
"It's frustrating sometimes, having a good education and spending all day every
day haring around in a warehouse," he says, "but this isn't a permanent thing."
When he has earned enough, he's going to head back over to Wroclaw, move into
one of his flats with his girlfriend and become a broker on the stock exchange.

He enjoys the job, and says he can understand why some of his colleagues speak
badly of the Polish invasion. "I read in the news about Peugeot closing down its
plant in Coventry, and other mass redundancies, so I can appreciate how people
feel seeing how easy it is for foreigners to get jobs here." One man complained
to Glijerski that it was unfair that he, as a Pole, had such a plum job while
the British man's wife was unemployed. "He asked me how this could be the case.
And because I have a masters in economics I was able to explain it to him."

Agnieszka Walecka, 36
In Poland: an anaesthetist
In Britain: an anaesthetist

In 2005, after almost 14 years of medical training as an anaesthetist, Walecka
was earning 1,750 zloty (£300) a month working at the Lower Silesian Lung
Diseases Hospital in Wroclaw. Despite being just one grade below consultant
level, she had to take private work in the evenings to supplement her income,
and lived with her mother in a semi-detached house in the city. It was not
unusual for her to work 24 hours or more at a stretch - which, as she says with
droll understatement, "isn't good for anyone, especially anaesthetists".

Last year, fed up with working round the clock and frustrated at the lack of
training opportunities offered to doctors in Poland, she followed a colleague to
Britain. Her first post was at a hospital in Swindon, and since April she has
been working at the Charing Cross Hospital in London.

Here, her annual salary is around £45,000. She rents a two-bedroom flat in a
desirable part of west London and is actively encouraged to take time to get her
medical knowledge up to date. Back in Wroclaw, where an astonishing 25% of
anaesthetists have applied for the special certificate that allows them to
practise abroad, her hospital struggles on. A year ago there were eight
anaesthetists, which wasn't nearly enough. Now, with Walecka and her colleague
gone, there are six, with no hope of replacing the deserters. Dr Jerzy
Wyszumirski, vice-president of Poland's anaesthetists' association, and a former
colleague of Walecka, is clearly worried: "We have a real problem. There are not
enough of us left. Operations are being cancelled or postponed. The waiting
lists are getting longer. We are trying to find new people. But it's proving
very difficult."

But Walecka doesn't feel guilty. "I want to help them," she says. "I want to
encourage them to come to Britain, where they have the opportunity to really
progress in their career. Even if they come for an unpaid placement, it will be
worth it for them. It won't even cost them anything; they can stay in my flat."

Piotr Dobroniak, 29
In Poland: a well-paid manager
In Britain: a labourer

Piotr Dobroniak had a good job back in Wroclaw. After working for seven years at
a big cash-and-carry chain in Dlugoleka, 10km from Wroclaw, he had risen through
the ranks to become a manager, a very well-regarded position in Poland. By 2005
he had around 40 people working under him and took home 7,000 zloty (almost
£1,200) a month, far above the national average of £435.

He was happy and well-off, but bored and still, aged 28, having his style
cramped by living at home with his mother and grandmother. One day, he and a
friend were having the usual conversation about what a dead-end place Poland
was. This time, they decided to do something about it. Within two weeks
Dobroniak was on a bus to London. Twenty hours later, he arrived at Victoria and
practised saying "Hello! I'm looking for a job" until he no longer stumbled over
the words.

Getting a job in Britain as an immigrant is one big Catch-22. For above-board
positions, you can't be employed without a British bank account and a National
Insurance number; the twist is that you can't get an NI number without backing
from a potential employer. Then there was the added problem of his nationality.
One of his first jobs was as a builder at the new Wembley stadium. There was a
lot of tension between the British and foreign workers. "One day, one of the
English guys said, 'It's too bad that Hitler didn't kick your asses properly',"
he remembers.

Dobroniak now works as a labourer for a stonemasonry company, earning £50 a day
before tax. It may be less than he earned back home, but that, he says, is not
the point. "Here I feel free." Back in Wroclaw, one of his former colleagues,
Michal Grabowski, says the firm has been unable to replace Dobroniak with a
worker of the same calibre. "They're just getting weaker and weaker," he says.
Grabowski has just enrolled on an English course and hopes to try his luck in
Britain within a year.

Happy in London, Dobroniak says he may never go back. Things are looking up. He
has just had an interview for a job as a manager with Lidl supermarket. He was
worried he wouldn't stand a chance because of his shaky English, but the
interviewer wasn't perturbed. "After all," she said, "almost all of the workers
are Polish anyway."

Rafal Stanczak, 34
In Poland: a rep for a pharmaceutical company
In Britain: a van driver

It was the corruption that got to Stanczak in the end. "I just woke up one day
last year and knew that I had to get out," he says, in the garden of the
three-bedroom house in Seven Sisters, London, that he shares with five other
Poles. "Poland is sick. Corruption, affairs, scandals ... I had had enough. I
had no wife, no kids and was going nowhere." So he left. Just like that. And
he's not regretting it.

"Here there is less nepotism. It's more of a meritocracy. You get the job if
you've got the skills, not if you know the right people." But more important
than work, he says, is the freedom afforded by life in Britain. "Here I have
carte blanche to do whatever I want. After one week's work here, I could buy
plane tickets to go to Barcelona. I can hop on the tube and go and see concerts.
I love it."

Back in Wroclaw, his friend Jacek Zelaszkiewicz says he's not surprised tha

[babiana]

Link to the article
www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1825469,00.html

Hmmm

[ianek70]

I think everybody knows the various reasons why folk leave Poland, and we've
all read similar articles on the subject, so what's your point?

[usenetposts]

ianek70 napisał:

> I think everybody knows the various reasons why folk leave Poland, and we've
> all read similar articles on the subject, so what's your point?

BTW, did you go back to Bonny Scotland or did you stay on in Bonny Silesia?

[ianek70]

usenetposts napisał:

> BTW, did you go back to Bonny Scotland or did you stay on in Bonny Silesia?

I'm living down south at the moment.

[usenetposts]

ianek70 napisał:

> usenetposts napisał:
>
> > BTW, did you go back to Bonny Scotland or did you stay on in Bonny Silesi
> a?
>
> I'm living down south at the moment.

As in the South of Poland or among the rotten old Sassenachs?

Newcastle

[ianek70]

usenetposts napisał:

> As in the South of Poland or among the rotten old Sassenachs?

Down south as in England, officially in Newcastle's Chinatown, but even
Chinatown is multicultural these days, so a lot of my neighbours are Geordie,
Pakistani, Scottish and Eastern European. Some of the Black folk have non-Anglo-
saxon accents, and I've heard whisperings of an invasion of Soothan Pooftahs.
As far as being rotten goes, we live upstairs from a Japanese sushi restaurant
so we've worked out which days we can empty the bins without wearing NASA-style
decontamination suits.

[babiana]

ianek70 napisał:

> And I can't do it in the UK now, because I'm overqualified, and they prefer

> Eastern Europeans who are also overqualified, but who just shut up and do what

> they're told. Folk who work in recruitment agencies have told me that this is
> semi-official policy, and I know from experience that Poles with the same
> education as me are accepted without question for unskilled jobs.
> So maybe it's the same situation in Poland.

A significant number of Polish workers experience high levels of de-skilling
on the British labour market. Their occupations are clearly influenced by
knowlegde of the English language. As a result they shut up and do what they're
told.
That is just the point.

"For the moment, then, the lure of higher wages in the UK is irresistible, not
just for middle-class professionals but also for anyone with ambition, prepared
to take a low-skilled job and improve their English."

[marcus_anglikiem]

> If [...]you can stand it for more than 2 months

well,if i can,that's just great. if not,then at least i'll be right there in
Krakow and in the position to look for something else...
perhaps i will stick it out...after all,i'll try to have fun outside of work
so a boring job hopefully won't be a problem...

> I wouldn't do it for the Polish minimum wage, though

i wouldn't do ANYTHING for the minimum wage. i mean, 849zl is how much after
taxes? 500? so that's what,300 rent and then FIFTY ZL A WEEK!???
However, i've seen a job as 'magazynier' for 2000 brutto, so that'll be like
1200? so that makes 225zl/week after rent. much better,no ?

anyhow , i'm looking forward to being in Krakow! perhaps i'll be able to do
a little translation on the side too, who knows...

[ianek70]

marcus_anglikiem napisał:

> if i can,that's just great. if not,then at least i'll be right there in
> Krakow and in the position to look for something else...
> perhaps i will stick it out...after all,i'll try to have fun outside of work
> so a boring job hopefully won't be a problem...

It's actually better than a boring job.
"Boring" implies that you're aware of the senselessness or repetitiveness of a
task, but in a warehouse you're either half-heartedly and unhurriedly doing
something that you know has to be done (whilst chatting, scratching your arse
or listening to the radio) or you're farting about.
Have you seen the episode of Chewin The Fat with the skive-holes?
Been there. In fact, I built a nest.

> > I wouldn't do it for the Polish minimum wage, though
>
> i wouldn't do ANYTHING for the minimum wage. i mean, 849zl is how much after
> taxes?

If you can get a decent wage for it, take it. Temporarily before it drives you
mad.

> anyhow , i'm looking forward to being in Krakow! perhaps i'll be able to do
> a little translation on the side too, who knows...

Look up biura tłumaczeń in the Kraków phone book, get in touch with them all
and you've got it made. The warehouse pays your social security and a bit of
pocket money, and you're either getting a bit of exercise carrying stuff or
lying behind a pile of crates with a dictionary and a pencil earning 30zł a
page.