Guantanamo - ubecka katownia w wykonaniu USA

[czarny.rycerz]

Amerykanska kolonia na Kubie - Guantanamo jest obozem koncentracyjnym i ubecką katownią w jednym.
Neonazisci z USA zamykają tam wiezniów politycznych, a takze zupełnie przypadkowych ludzi z łapanek wykonywanych przez USA w Afganistanie i innych czesciach swiata.
Tortury w tym obozie to była normalność. Szef obozu gen. Miller został wysłany do Abu Ghraib ponieważ miał wielkie dokonania na polu tortur .
Ale to nie wszystko. Tortury w Guantanamo były naukowe na miarę doktora Mengele. Były robione na niewinnych w celu "przyznania sie" do czegokolwiek (jak w katowniach UB), a także w celu "naukowego" wynalezienia nowych skutecznych metod przesłuchiwania (czytaj:tortur w stylu Gestapo i UB).
Co wiecej, przesłuchania były specjalnie instenizowane dla wizytujących oficjeli amerykanskich...




www.drudgereport.com/

NYT Sunday: High-level military investigation into allegations of detainee abuse at Guantanamo concluded prisoners were mistreated, perhaps illegally, as a result of efforts to devise innovative methods to gain info...

www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,15122310%255E1702,00.html

AUTHORITIES at Guantanamo Bay staged interrogations of detainees for visiting politicians and generals to give the impression that valuable intelligence was regularly being gathered, says a former US Army translator at the camp.

Sergeant Erik Saar told CBS television's 60 Minutes that he believed "only a few dozen" of the 600 detainees at the camp were terrorists and that little information was obtained from them.

"Interrogations were set up so the VIPs could come and witness an interrogation ... a mock interrogation, basically," Sgt Saar told the program, to air on Sunday.

"They would find a detainee that they knew to have been cooperative. They would ask the interrogator to go back over the same information," he said, calling it "a fictitious world" created for the visitors.

[ale-jajaja]

Dostał przepustkę na 2 godziny :))

Co ty znowu bełkoczesz?

[czarny.rycerz]

Ja cie już dawno próbuję omijac, bo jesteś głupi, podszywaczu.

[ale-jajaja]

dzięki

czerwony rycerz- znawca UB

[gieroy_asfalta]

pewnie mu dziadek opowiadał jak to oprawiał "wrogów ludu" i "amerykańskich
szpiegów"....

czerwony rycerz, moze. Wygląda na ciebie

[czarny.rycerz]

Gierojowi.kibucu dziadek z UB pewnie opowiadał niejedno, nie?

[karielcia]

to UBecy tacy jak Ty popieraja talibskie islamskie badziewie, a nie Ameryke.

Ale co najtragiczniejsze

[abe_ltd]

to to ze za jakies 50 lat bedzie sie mowic o KUBANSKICH obozach tortur.

ZDRAJCY I DZIECI MORDERCOW WRACAJA DO KRAJU.

[wiesiopl]

ZDRAJCY I DZIECI MORDERCOW WRACAJA DO KRAJU.
POTOP ZYDOWSKIEJ ZARAZY ZBLIZA SIE DO POLSKI.

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Pozwalaja na wolna od cenzury komunikacje pomiedzy ludzmi Swiata.
Wiec nie trzymajcie sie kurczowo idjotycznego "Forum gazeta.pl"

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3. RATUJMY POLSKE PRZED POTOPEM:
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[gieroy_asfalta]

hehehehehehehehehehehheeeh!Następny:-D

[gieroy_asfalta]

hehehehehehehehehehehheeeh!Następny:-D

[stary-wyjadacz]

O ile sobie przypominam to CBS "60 minutes" przed wyborami przedstawilo
sfalszowane "dowody" na rzekoma dezercje Busha. W wyniku pozniejszego dochodzenia
wyrzucono kilka osob a gwiazda CBS News Dan Rather zostal w nieslawie odstawiony
na przyspieszona emeryture. CBS stracilo resztki wiarygodnosci i dzisiaj juz
tylko nieliczna garstka rozsypanych po kraju wiernych widzow oglada CBS News w
tym 60 minutes.

Źle sobie przypominasz, dyletancie.

[czarny.rycerz]

Dezercja Busha nie jest rzekoma, a udowodniona. Mówiono już o tym od lat na podstawie zezna świadkow i dokumentów.
A "60 Minutes" nie użyło fałszywych dokumentów. Nikt tego nie stwierdził. Nawet ta "niezależna" komisja nie była w stanie stwiedzić, czy te dokumenty były rzeczywiscie sfałszowane, co jest w raporcie, dyletancie.

[ale-jajaja]

Lubie takich jak Ty - białe !! nie -czarne ; czarne !! nie białe !! ty chyba
musiałeś się macać z komuchami często ?

byle dalej od swego podwórka

[communism_kills_brains]

Napisz lepiej klonie sowieckiej mentalności o obozach w rosji dla Czeczenów.
Masz tam bliżej. Stara doktryna sowieckiej propagandy nakazuje ci obsmarowywać
innych tym co na sowieckim podwórku najohydniejsze. Jeśli więc o Gestapo cz UB
to adresy ci się pomyliły. Tym się też USA różnią od sowietów, że o Guantanamo
wie cały świat, a o sowieckich katowniach tylko Kreml i pracujący tam kaci.
Dlatego tak łatwo nadawać ci na wolny kraj.
Ale wolny świat potrafi odróżnić prawdę od kłamstw, kłamstw najczęściej sowieckich.

[wojcd]

Mam wrazenie, ze Guantanamo to dowod na to, ze
tak naprawde, to Amerykanie sa bezradni w walce
z muzulmanska mentalnoscia.

Jednak nie zlapali balansu po WTC.

[kapitalizm]

...jak to nie?

przeciez ich tam wkoncu gnebia i molestuja - mamy nadzieje.

Guantanamo - bicz na islamskich bandytow

[siestas]

na Guantanamo, islamski idioto, przetrzymuje sie islamskich talibow, bandytow,
ktorzy zabili (gdy mieli wladze) wiele tysiecy mieszkancow Afganistanu.

dobrze, ze teraz siedza pod czula opieka Amerykanow.
uwazam , ze za dlugo. juz dawno powinni wisiec na drzewach, powieszeni, jak
szczury, za nogi.

Guantanamo jest obozem smierci, czy sie bedziecie

[gocanowo]

zloscic czy nie, faktu nie zmienicie. Przyznaje to nawet rzad usa, a i im
bardziej tupiecie nozkami, tym smieszniejsi stajecie sie. Istnieje bowiem
dowolnosc w traktowaniu takich pojec jak demokracje, wolnosc, w tym tez wolnosc
slowa, praworzadnosc. Tak jest niestety w wielu krajach, mimo iz zyjemy juz w
XXI wieku. Pojecia te sie funkcjonalizuje badz instrumentalizuje. Dlatego takie
perwersje jak guantanamo maja w ogole miejsce.

Talibowie sa perwersja tego swiata, czy chcesz, cz

[siestas]

czy nie.
Ci islamscy fundamentalisci zabili bez sadow wiele tysiecy ludzi w
Afganistanie, np. zabijali kobiety za zdrade.

Gdy Amerykanie, razem z (tez islamskimi przeciez) Mudzachedinami ich pokonali
wiesz co Mudzahedini z nimi robili? zamykali ich w metalowych kontenerach jak
sardynki i strzelali do nich z karabinow maszynowych tak dlugo, az zaden jek
wiecej nie dochodzil.

Moim zdaniem nieslusznie. na to talibskie bydlo szkoda kul.
powinni ich wszystkich powiesic na drzewach za nogi, jako ostrzezenie dla
innych.

ale poza tym jestes za praworzadnoscia i wolnoscia

[gocanowo]

a jesli a afganistan chodzi, to usa stworzyly te

[gocanowo]

sily, nad ktorymi pozniej stracily kontrole. Byle iwanowi dopieprzyc, kazdym
kosztem. Przecie nikt inny tylko slynny osama b.l. jest ich tworem, to uczynili
go tak poteznym, bogatym i slawnym. A saddam? jego zdjecia razem z rumsfeldem,
jako wyslannikiem papcia busia sa slynne, mozna je ogladac w internecie.
Chomejni byl tez reakcja na rheze pahlaviego, stworzonego przez usa. A saddam
byl usa potrzebny do obalenia chomejniego, dostal tez od usa wszystko, czego
chcial, nawet gazy bojowe, przed ktorymi ich producenci takiego pietra mieli.
Saddam byl tez gwarantem laicyzacji panstwa, teraz to juz iluzja.

nie masz pojecia o afganistanie.

[siestas]

Amerykanie zawsze popierali Mudzahedinow, a nigdy talibow.
zdaje sie nawet nie potrafisz odrozniac jednych od drugich.

[wojcd]

siestas napisała:
> Amerykanie zawsze popierali Mudzahedinow, a nigdy talibow.
> zdaje sie nawet nie potrafisz odrozniac jednych od drugich.
___________________________________________________________
Niestety nie pamietam gdzie to czytalem,
ale OSTRZEGANO Amerykanow przed szkoleniem
Afganczykow. Mowiono, ze to niebezpieczne.

Teraz trzeba zjesc te zabe.
Oczywiscie przy zachowaniu "cywilizowanych" metod.

nie ma wolnosci dla wrogow wolnosci

[siestas]

- kto powiedzial to slynne zdanie?
gdyby takich jak hitler zamykano w wiezieniu od razu osczedzono by swiatu wiele
cierpien.
powtarzam. dla talibow nie mam grosza litosci. to najgorsze bandziorstwo nad
bandziorstwami, jakie przytrafilo sie swiatu.

[wojcd]

nie ma wolnosci dla wrogow wolnosci
> - kto powiedzial to slynne zdanie?
____________________________________________________-
Fajne haslo.

Zjedzmy kanibali!!!

[borrek]

....amerykanska.
Demokracje montowac.
cagle.slate.msn.com/working/050105/horsey.gif

wolalbys tak? .....

[karielcia]

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Re.Pulapka w Iraku.

[borrek]

Ech barany.
Montaz demokracji w Iraku nie udal sie.
Drzwi w suficie.:-))
Saddam tez tak wychodzil z dziury.
Przez luke.
To samo was czeka.:-)
cagle.slate.msn.com/working/050426/bennett.jpg

to co piszesz, to marzenia islamuska

[niewybrany]

Amerykanie juz zatwierdzi budowe kilkunastu duzych nowych baz w Iraku, z dala
od osiedli ludzkich. beda z tych baz pilnowac sieci rurociagow i robic takie
wypady karne jak ostatnio , gdy wybili bandziorkow islamskich w Faludzy.

a podejsc do tych baz sie nie da.

cala wladza w miastach zostanie przekazana nowemu, demokrycznemu rzadowi
irackiemu.

a jak arab bedzie (w tych miastach) strzelal do innego araba, to kogo to na
swiecie obchodzi, naiwniaczku?

[wojcd]

niewybrany napisała:
beda z tych baz pilnowac sieci rurociagow....
___________________________________________________
No i widzisz trzeba bylo mowic od razu:
demokracja = siec rurociagow.

[borrek]

Rorociagi od czasu do czasu plona.
Ropa droga.
Bush in aktion.:-))
cagle.slate.msn.com/working/050429/benson.gif

Poducz sie fanatyku

[czarny.rycerz]

www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/28/60minutes/main691602.shtml

With that in mind, Saar went to work, but he was surprised by what he found. How many prisoners did he think were the worst of the worst – real terrorists?

"At best, I would say there were a few dozen," says Saar. "A few dozen [out of 600]."

And who were the rest of the guys? "Some of them were conscripts who actually were forced to fight for the Taliban, so actually had taken up arms against us, but had little or no choice in the matter," says Saar. "Some of them were individuals who were picked up by the Northern Alliance, and we have no idea why they were there, and we didn't know exactly what their connections were to terrorism."

However, when they got there, Saar and the rest of Guantanamo’s intelligence personnel were told that the captives were not prisoners of war, and therefore, were not protected by the Geneva Convention.

Sprawiedliwość jak w Gułagach

[czarny.rycerz]

W Guantanamo jak wiadomo trzymani są ludzie z łapanki, albo kupieni w Afganistanie (w Afganistanie miejsowe gangi po prostu sprzedawały Yankom każdego Araba za tysiące dolarów).
Własciwie sa tam sami niewinni. Jest też jakiś kierowca bin Ladena.
Na 500 wieźniów tylko czterem robia proces sądowy ( i to kabaretowy).
Miedzy innymi temu kierowcy.

Jakie są te procesy? Jak w Sowietach.
Dopuszczalne jako materiały dowodowe są zeznania wydobyte przy uzyciu tortur, zeznania świadków nie pod przysiega, a nawet plotki (sic!).
A co jeżeli wiezien zostanie uniewinniony? Zostanie do w obocie koncentracyjnym ... jako "enemy combatant" dokońca mitycznej wojny z terrorem (czyli na zawsze, bo formalnie USA zakonczyło wojne i okupacje w Afganistanie i Iraku. Tylko że tu chodzi o bolszewicka wojne permanetna).

Doszło do tego, że sami wojskowi obrońcy wiezniów przyznani im przez rząd USA podaja do sądu Busha i Rumsfelda o nielegalność takich sadow.


www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/03/60minutes/main699593.shtml

So far, only four of more than 500 prisoners being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have been charged with war crimes.
And so far there have been no military trials. They have been shut down because of a suit filed against the president by a member of what may seem like an unlikely group of opponents: U.S. military lawyers.

..
In most trials, defendants have a right to see all the evidence against them. But in a military commission, although the defense attorneys can see classified evidence, they can’t discuss it with their clients.
..
How does that affect his defense? "Well, it makes it impossible. How you do cross-examination is you look to your client and say, 'Did you ever meet that man? Does he like you? Does he dislike you? Are there things that he’s saying that aren’t true?'" asks Einwechter. "What they do here is they make a mockery of what defending a man is."

The rules permit hearsay evidence, unsworn statements ands even statements taken under duress. The standard is any evidence the panel considers relevant and reasonable.

"That leaves a huge hole as to what types of evidence will come in, whether or not it was taken or obtained via some sort of coercion, mistreatment or even torture for that matter," says Shaffer.

And then there’s this: if a defendant is acquitted, he can still be sent back to detention at Guantanamo Bay until the war on terror is over, which may be decades.

"If your client is ultimately acquitted, and then, just to be told that they’re going to continue to be detained, the question you ask is, then what is this all about? What is this for?" asks Shaffer.

"If Salim wins, does he get anything? No, he goes back to the same cell. So it seems awfully a lot for show, doesn’t it?" says Swift.

Szczegóły katowania w stylu UB

[czarny.rycerz]

Tortury i wymyszanie zeznan

www.livejournal.com/users/mparent7777/1536647.html

One of them took my penis in his hand and began to make cuts. He did it once, and they stood still for maybe a minute, watching my reaction. I was in agony. They must have done this 20 to 30 times, in maybe two hours. There was blood all over. "I told you I was going to teach you who's the man," [one] eventually said.
.
I was in Morocco for 18 months. Once they began this, they would do it to me about once a month. One time I asked a guard: "What's the point of this? I've got nothing I can say to them. I've told them everything I possibly could."

"As far as I know, it's just to degrade you. So when you leave here, you'll have these scars and you'll never forget. So you'll always fear doing anything but what the US wants."

But in Morocco, there were even worse things. Too horrible to remember, let alone talk about. About once a week or even once every two weeks I would be taken for interrogation, where they would tell me what to say. They said if you say this story as we read it, you will just go to court as a witness and all this torture will stop. I eventually repeated what was read out to me.

When I got to Morocco they said some big people in al-Qaida were talking about me. They talked about Jose Padilla and they said I was going to testify against him and big people. They named Khalid Sheikh Mohamed, Abu Zubaidah and Ibn Sheikh al-Libi [all senior al-Qaida leaders who are now in US custody]. It was hard to pin down the exact story because what they wanted changed from Morocco to when later I was in the Dark Prison [a detention centre in Kabul with windowless cells and American staff], to Bagram and again in Guantánamo Bay.

They told me that I must plead guilty. I'd have to say I was an al-Qaida operations man, an ideas man. I kept insisting that I had only been in Afghanistan a short while. "We don't care," was all they'd say.


www.informationclearinghouse.info//article9628.htm

08/01/05 "ABC"

[misterpee]

'One of them made cuts in my penis. I was in agony'

'One of them made cuts in my penis. I was in agony'

Tuesday August 2, 2005
The Guardian

Benyam Mohammed travelled from London to Afghanistan in July 2001, but after
September 11 he fled to Pakistan. He was arrested at Karachi airport on April
10 2002, and describes being flown by a US government plane to a prison in
Morocco. These are extracts from his diary.
They cut off my clothes with some kind of doctor's scalpel. I was naked. I
tried to put on a brave face. But maybe I was going to be raped. Maybe they'd
electrocute me. Maybe castrate me.

They took the scalpel to my right chest. It was only a small cut. Maybe an
inch. At first I just screamed ... I was just shocked, I wasn't expecting ...
Then they cut my left chest. This time I didn't want to scream because I knew
it was coming.

One of them took my penis in his hand and began to make cuts. He did it once,
and they stood still for maybe a minute, watching my reaction. I was in agony.
They must have done this 20 to 30 times, in maybe two hours. There was blood
all over. "I told you I was going to teach you who's the man," [one] eventually
said.

They cut all over my private parts. One of them said it would be better just to
cut it off, as I would only breed terrorists. I asked for a doctor.

Doctor No 1 carried a briefcase. "You're all right, aren't you? But I'm going
to say a prayer for you." Doctor No 2 gave me an Alka-Seltzer for the pain. I
told him about my penis. "I need to see it. How did this happen?" I told him.
He looked like it was just another patient. "Put this cream on it two times a
day. Morning and night." He gave me some kind of antibiotic.

I was in Morocco for 18 months. Once they began this, they would do it to me
about once a month. One time I asked a guard: "What's the point of this? I've
got nothing I can say to them. I've told them everything I possibly could."

"As far as I know, it's just to degrade you. So when you leave here, you'll
have these scars and you'll never forget. So you'll always fear doing anything
but what the US wants."

Later, when a US airplane picked me up the following January, a female MP took
pictures. She was one of the few Americans who ever showed me any sympathy.
When she saw the injuries I had she gasped. They treated me and took more
photos when I was in Kabul. Someone told me this was "to show Washington it's
healing".

But in Morocco, there were even worse things. Too horrible to remember, let
alone talk about. About once a week or even once every two weeks I would be
taken for interrogation, where they would tell me what to say. They said if you
say this story as we read it, you will just go to court as a witness and all
this torture will stop. I eventually repeated what was read out to me.

When I got to Morocco they said some big people in al-Qaida were talking about
me. They talked about Jose Padilla and they said I was going to testify against
him and big people. They named Khalid Sheikh Mohamed, Abu Zubaidah and Ibn
Sheikh al-Libi [all senior al-Qaida leaders who are now in US custody]. It was
hard to pin down the exact story because what they wanted changed from Morocco
to when later I was in the Dark Prison [a detention centre in Kabul with
windowless cells and American staff], to Bagram and again in Guantánamo Bay.

They told me that I must plead guilty. I'd have to say I was an al-Qaida
operations man, an ideas man. I kept insisting that I had only been in
Afghanistan a short while. "We don't care," was all they'd say.

I was also questioned about my links with Britain. The interrogator told
me: "We have photos of people given to us by MI5. Do you know these?" I
realised that the British were sending questions to the Moroccans. I was at
first surprised that the Brits were siding with the Americans.

On August 6, I thought I was going to be transferred out of there [the prison].
They came in and cuffed my hands behind my back.

But then three men came in with black masks. It seemed to go on for hours. I
was in so much pain I'd fall to my knees. They'd pull me back up and hit me
again. They'd kick me in my thighs as I got up. I vomited within the first few
punches. I really didn't speak at all though. I didn't have the energy or will
to say anything. I just wanted for it to end. After that, there was to be no
more first-class treatment. No bathroom. No food for a while.

During September-October 2002, I was taken in a car to another place. The room
was bigger, it had its own toilet, and a window which was opaque.

They gave me a toothbrush and Colgate toothpaste. I was allowed to recover from
the scalpel for about two weeks, and the guards said nothing about it.

Then they cuffed me and put earphones on my head. They played hip-hop and rock
music, very loud. I remember they played Meat Loaf and Aerosmith over and over.
A couple of days later they did the same thing. Same music.

For 18 months, there was not one night when I could sleep well. Sometimes I
would go 48 hours without sleep. At night, they would bang the metal doors,
bang the flap on the door, or just come right in.

They continued with two or three interrogations a month. They weren't really
interrogations, more like training me what to say. The interrogator told me
what was going on. "We're going to change your brain," he said.

I suffered the razor treatment about once a month for the remaining time I was
in Morocco, even after I'd agreed to confess to whatever they wanted to hear.
It became like a routine. They'd come in, tie me up, spend maybe an hour doing
it. They never spoke to me. Then they'd tip some kind of liquid on me - the
burning was like grasping a hot coal. The cutting, that was one kind of pain.
The burning, that was another.

In all the 18 months I was there, I never went outside. I never saw the sun,
not even once. I never saw any human being except the guards and my tormentors,
unless you count the pictures they showed me.




02.08.2005: Suspect's tale of travel and torture


www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,12780,1540552,00.html
MARC PARENT CRIMES AND CORRUPTIONS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER NEWS
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www.livejournal.com/~mparent7777

[hayamo]

Straszne... jestem wstrząśniety. Trzeba ich koniecznie przenieść (więźniów)do
Pakistanu. Albo do Egiptu.
Napiszmy do tych krajów prośbę. Na pewno chętnie przyjmą cierpiących w G.
Dostaną ludzkie warunki. Takie na jakie zasłuzyli swoją odwagą...
Proponuję założenie funduszu pomocy dla więźniów. Może ewentualnie jakieś
zaliczki na opiekę nad tym który urżnął głowę Bergowi. Kto tam pojedzie do
niego przekazać pieniądze? Róbmy coś aby świat był lepszy.

[felusiak1]

juz sie to robi. pierwsza grupa juz jest zpakowana i niedlugo zawioza ich do
Afganistanu ale Amnesty International wrzeszczy, zeby nie wysylac ich z
Gulagu-Guantanamo bo w ojczyznach jest jeszcze gorzej. Postuluja aby nadal
przetrzymywac ich w tej ubeckiej katowni. Zreszta wiezniowie tez sa tego zdania.
Jest to pierwszy w swiecie wypadek, gdzie wiezniowie nie chca opuscic ubeckich
katowni i juz planuja strajk glodowy co jest bardzo rozsadnym rozwiazaniem i
ponadto spelnia dwa warunki. Jeden to byc moze w wyniku glodowki uda sie sklonic
ubeckich katow do nie przewozenia ich do ojczyzny a jesli to sie nie powiedzie
to glodowka jest dobrym treningiem w kontekscie przyszlego menu.

[jennifer5]

felusiak1 napisała:

> juz sie to robi. pierwsza grupa juz jest zpakowana i niedlugo zawioza ich do
> Afganistanu ale Amnesty International wrzeszczy, zeby nie wysylac ich z
> Gulagu-Guantanamo bo w ojczyznach jest jeszcze gorzej. Postuluja aby nadal
> przetrzymywac ich w tej ubeckiej katowni.

Czy chcesz przez to powiedziec ze poniewaz w ich krajach istnieje bezprawie,
nam wolno ich torturowac, tylko tak zeby nie zabijac? Podobno jestesmy
ucywilizowani i bardziej uswiadomieni od tych prostakow, dlatego uwlaszczamy
sobie prawo do posiadanie powiedzmy... WMD. Czy to do czegos zobowiazuje czy
nie, felusiak?

[hayamo]

Zapewne znajdą się niezadowoleni pseudopacyfiści domagający się nie wiadomo
czego od USA... W G. niedobrze. W Pakistanie dajmy na to niedobrze. W Egipcie
niedobrze. Nie mogą być przesłuchiwani w G. Nie można ich przesłuchać w Egipcie
albo Afganistanie. No ale jeżeli mają wrócić do swych ojczyzn to dajmy im
szansę powrotu i życia według reguł cywilizacji za którą mordowali bezbronnych
ludzi... To jest ich święte prawo i powinniśmy im to umożliwić.

[xjkw]

A person wrote a letter to the White House complaining about the treatment of a
captive taken during the Afghanistan war. Attached is a copy of a letter they
received back:

The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, D.C., 20016

Dear Concerned Citizen:

Thank you for your recent letter roundly criticizing our treatment of the
Taliban and Al Qaeda detainees currently being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Our administration takes these matters seriously, and your opinion was heard
loud and clear here in Washington. You'll be pleased to learn that, thanks to
the concerns of citizens like you, we are creating a new division of the
Terrorist Retraining Program, to be called the "Liberals Accept Responsibility
for Killers" program, or LARK for short. In accordance with the guidelines of
this new program, we have decided to place one terrorist under your personal care.

Your personal detainee has been selected and scheduled for transportation under
heavily armed guard to your residence next Monday. Ali Mohammed Ahmed bin Mahmud
(you can just call him Ahmed) is to be cared for pursuant to the standards you
personally demanded in your letter of admonishment. It will likely be necessary
for you to hire some assistant caretakers. We will conduct weekly inspections to
ensure that your standards of care for Ahmed are commensurate with those you so
strongly recommended in your letter.

Although Ahmed is sociopathic and extremely violent, we hope that your
sensitivity to what you described as his "attitudinal problem" will help him
overcome these character flaws.

Perhaps you are correct in describing these problems as mere cultural
differences. He will bite you, given the chance. We understand that you plan to
offer counseling and home schooling. Your adopted terrorist is extremely
proficient in hand-to-hand combat and can extinguish human life with such simple
items as a pencil or nail clippers. We do not suggest that you ask him to
demonstrate these skills at your next yoga group. He is also expert at making a
wide variety of explosive devices from common household products, so you may
wish to keep those items locked up, unless (in your opinion) this might offend him.

Ahmed will not wish to interact with your wife or daughters (except sexually)
since he views females as a subhuman form of property. This is a particularly
sensitive subject for him, and he has been known to show violent tendencies
around women who fail to comply with the new dress code that Ahmed will
recommend as more appropriate attire. I'm sure they will come to enjoy the
anonymity offered by the bhurka - over time. Just remind them that it is all
part of "respecting his culture and his religious beliefs" - wasn't that how you
put it?

Thanks again for your letter. We truly appreciate it when folks like you, who
know so much, keep us informed of the proper way to do our job. You take good
care of Ahmed - and remember...we'll be watching. Good luck!

Cordially...Your Buddy,

Don Rumsfeld

felusiak zatacza sie i belkocze

[czarny.rycerz]

> juz sie to robi. pierwsza grupa juz jest zpakowana i niedlugo zawioza ich do
> Afganistanu ale Amnesty International wrzeszczy, zeby nie wysylac ich z
> Gulagu-Guantanamo bo w ojczyznach jest jeszcze gorzej. Postuluja aby nadal
> przetrzymywac ich w tej ubeckiej katowni.

Nie o ojczyznach, tylko w wiezieniach, niedojdo.
W wiezieniach krwawych rezimow wspieranych przez USA. Tam moga sobie pozwolic na wieksze tortury,a katownia w Guantanamo jest juz pod obstrzalem i na oku organizacji miedzynarodowych (nawet agenci FBI skarzyli sie na oboz koncentracyjny swojego kraju)

[hayamo]

Puścić tych bidulków wolno. Okażmy swoje miłosierdzie. Jak wysadzą jakieś
wagony metra to trzeba im kazać klęczeć na grochu. Chociaż nie... może lepiej
bez grochu. Bądźmy ludźmi. Użyjmy WMD. Na pewno się poprawią. Prawdopodobnie
zaczną hodować kozy albo siać zboże. To, że paredziesiąt osób każdy zarżnie nie
ma znaczenia. W skali globalnej nastąpi pokojowe współistnienie. Niech żyje
pryjaźn między arabskim terrorystą a jego ofiarą w spalonym wagonie metra.
Chwała poplecznikom i obrońcom uciśnionych morderców i innych odszczepieńców.