co to jest 'office hymn'??

[amused.to.death]

pytanie jak w temacie.
ok, wiem: śpiewane w kościele, ale jak to się po polsku nazywa?

i w drugą stronę: "home key" w muzyce??

[amused.to.death]

eh...późno już i nic mi do głowy nie przychodzi:((

[allexamina]

Akord toniczny (if I remember the Polish music terminology...) ;^)

'A hymn' to hymn - czasem korporacje maja. Why? Nobody knows, that's one of
those big mysteries of the universe... :^O

[u-boot_88]

A mnie ucyli, że po angielskiemu hymn to "anthem"?? Źle ucyły, ciarachy jedne,
cy jak?

[emka_1]

hehe, dobze ucyli, ale hymn to tyz hymn, ino nie państwowy, ale taka piesn
pochwalna-wysławiająca.
za to office to nie tylko biuro korporacji, ale na ten przykład też
nabożeństwo:)

[squatt-n-leavitt]

Panstwowy to ANTHEM - Polish national anthem
Koscielne to wlasnie HYMN-y.

"Office anthem" would be correct unless..... unless you have to praise the lord.

[allexamina]

Emka is absolutely right - and I should have known having sung so many office
hymns in so many choirs over so many years... I was simply thrown by the word
"hymn" – it is, after all, the same in Polish and in English... My apologies.

BTW, an anthem doesn't have to BE a national anthem. If memory serves, the
oldest national anthem (God Save the Queen) is from the first half of the 19th
century, while first anthems were developed for the 16th century Anglican Church
so they wouldn't have to use the Roman Catholic motet in their services (or as
Emka points out correctly – offices ;^)).

I would also caution against the division "hymn = religious" vs. "anthem =
secular." While it's true that countries officially adopt national anthems (not
hymns) some of the songs – in musical sense – aren't anthems at all. For
example, the old Soviet Union anthem was actually a hymn (and entitled as
such...) The subject of hymn's lyrics is always a tribute/praise to God(s) or
heroes or ideas. For example, the American anthem is actually about the
American flag – and yes, there are "the free" and "the brave" and even God in it
but the subject is still the American flag; hence, it is NOT a hymn. ...I'll
let you decide whether the Polish Mazurka is a hymn or an anthem.

The bottom line: hymn and anthem are synonyms, except for the "national" or
"official" anthems, which by the right of the official adoption are anthems no
matter what they are musically.

Of course all of the above is splitting hairs. No one, except for the few last
row choir singers like me, care one way or the other. ;^)

[Gość: lulu]

Office hymns a such a typical american ritual. Especially in sales. They are
there to set the grupp going and make them feel like part of a team. All in all
it's a load of rubbish really..

[amused.to.death]

1) still, I need a Polish equivalent
2) the one I'm asking about is from the 18th century - I guess it can't be about team spirit in sales, can it?

[allexamina]

Zadecydowalismy ze to "hymn koscielny" :^)

Chyba ze jest okreslenie w j. polskim dotyczace tylko i wylacznie hymnu
spiewanego w czasie nabozenstwa religijnego, ale z takim sie jeszcze nie
spotkalam. W popularnym j. angielskim, szczegolnie w jego amerykanskiej wersji,
mowi sie "religious hymn" zamiast "office hymn". (Co dodalo do mego
skonfudowania.) I hope that helps a little...

P.S.: More cynical among us would say that everything is about team spirit and
sales. But we won't go that route, right? ;^)

[allexamina]

I just realized that my answer was kinda cryptic, so short explanation: all
religious hymns are sung during some form of service, which means they are all,
in fact, office hymns. Hence, you should be free calling it "hymn koscielny"
regardless of its context.

In addition, the 18th century works like Handel's Messiah, although full of
incredible hymns and with a deeply religious theme and subject are and were
considered _secular_ music from the start because of the use of very operatic
style that churches of the time didn't allow. So, it's possible that the author
you're translating is speaking of "office hymns", i.e. the hymns sung during a
religious service, to differentiate from the style of the secular hymn of the
period. Does this make sense?

[squatt-n-leavitt]

Czy o biurowe pastoralki ci chodzi?