what does double genetive mean ?

11.12.04, 20:28
I found that name in "informator maturalny 2005"...please, help me! I'm going
to pass motura on high level,so I should know what that strange "double
genetive" means :)
bye,bye :)
    • Gość: Gatsby Re: what does double negative mean ? IP: 65.94.108.* 11.12.04, 20:41
      Here it is. You said: "i'm going to pass motura on high level" co znaczy,
      ze "zdasz mature" Wiec co sie martwisz... Anyway:

      double negative equals a positive. It is a truism of traditional grammar that
      double negatives combine to form an affirmative. Readers coming across a
      sentence like He cannot do nothing will therefore interpret it as an
      affirmative statement meaning “He must do something” unless they are prompted
      to view it as dialect or nonstandard speech. Readers will also assign an
      affirmative meaning to constructions that yoke not with an adjective or adverb
      that begins with a negative prefix such as in- or un-, as in a not infrequent
      visitor or a not unjust decision. In these expressions the double negative
      conveys a weaker affirmative than would be conveyed by the positive adjective
      or adverb by itself. Thus a not infrequent visitor seems likely to visit less
      frequently than a frequent visitor. 1
      double negative equals a negative. “You ain’t heard nothin’ yet,” said Al
      Jolson in 1927 in The Jazz Singer, the first talking motion picture. He meant,
      of course, “You haven’t heard anything yet.” Some 60 years later President
      Reagan taunted his political opponents by saying “You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.”
      These famous examples of double negatives that reinforce (rather than nullify)
      a negative meaning show clearly that this construction is alive and well in
      spoken English. In fact, multiple negatives have been used to convey negative
      meaning in English since the tenth century, and throughout most of this
      history, this form of the double negative was wholly acceptable. Thus Chaucer
      in The Canterbury Tales could say of the Friar, “Ther nas no man nowhere so
      vertuous,” meaning “There was no man so virtuous anywhere,” and Shakespeare
      could allow Viola in Twelfth Night to say of her heart, “Nor never none/Shall
      mistress of it be, save I alone,” by which she meant that no one except herself
      would ever be mistress of her heart. 2
      double negative equals trouble. But in spite of this noble history,
      grammarians since the Renaissance have objected to this form of negative
      reinforcement employing the double negative. In their eagerness to make English
      conform to formal logic, they conceived and promulgated the notion that two
      negatives destroy one another and make a positive. This view was taken up by
      English teachers and has since become sanctioned as a convention of Standard
      English. Now if you use a double negative to mean “no” in formal speaking or
      writing, you run the risk of being considered an ignoramus. It’s probably best
      to look smart and use the double negative only when you want to imitate speech
      or strike a folksy note. 3
      double negative with minimizing adverbs. The ban on multiple negatives also
      applies to the combination of negatives with adverbs such as barely, hardly,
      and scarcely. It is therefore incorrect to say I couldn’t hardly do it or The
      car scarcely needs no oil. These adverbs have a minimizing effect on the verb.
      They mean something like “almost not at all.” They resemble negative adverbs
      such as not and never in that they are used with any, anybody, and similar
      words rather than none, nobody, and other negatives. Thus we say You barely
      have any time left, just as we would say You don’t have any time left, but we
      would not say You barely have no time left, since it would be an unacceptable
      double negative. 4
      exceptions to the rule. The ban on using double negatives to convey emphasis
      does not apply when the second negative appears in a separate phrase or clause,
      as in I will not surrender, not today, not ever or He does not seek money, no
      more than he seeks fame. You must use commas to separate the negative phrases
      in these examples. Thus the sentence He does not seek money no more than he
      seeks fame is unacceptable, whereas the equivalent sentence with any is
      perfectly acceptable and requires no comma: He does not seek money any more
      than he seeks fame.
    • Gość: Piter Re: what does double genetive mean ? IP: *.daminet.pl 11.12.04, 20:42
      e.g.
      a photograpf of Tom - means a photograph showing Tom
      a hotograph of Tom's - means a photograph belonging or taken by Tom

      Double genitive cannot start with the definite article.
      Hope it's correct, I'm just a student;)
      can anyone else verify ?
      • Gość: Gatsby Re: what does double genitive mean ? IP: 65.94.108.* 11.12.04, 21:08
        I guess my answer (double negative) was off-topic. Sorry

        (double genitive). People sometimes object to the “double genitive”
        construction, as in a friend of my father’s or a book of mine. But the
        construction has been used in English since the 14th century and serves a
        useful purpose. It can help sort out ambiguous phrases like Bob’s photograph,
        which could mean either “a photograph of Bob” (i.e., revealing Bob’s image)
        or “a photograph that is in Bob’s possession.” A photograph of Bob’s, on the
        other hand, can only be a photo that Bob has in his possession and may or may
        not show Bob’s image. Moreover, in some sentences the double genitive offers
        the only way to express what is meant. There is no substitute for it in a
        sentence such as That’s the only friend of yours that I’ve ever met, since
        sentences such as That’s your only friend that I’ve ever met and That’s your
        only friend, whom I’ve ever met are not grammatical.
        • Gość: ??? Re: what does double genitive mean ? IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 12.12.04, 19:36
          Is "A photograph of Bob's" a double genitive? I don't see where the double bit
          is. I thought it would be something like "Bob's mother's friend" or "Peter's
          sister's cat"

          ??????????
          • korulka86 Re: what does double genitive mean ? 27.12.04, 21:11
            heheh..zdac maturę raczej zdam...(jedyne 30 %)Chciałabym ją zdać jak
            najlepiej :)
            dziękuje za posty...ale teraz wiem jeszcze mniej niż wcześniej :)
            pozdrawiam!
          • gdabski Re: what does double genitive mean ? 27.12.04, 23:25
            double genitive
            n.

            A phrasal construction in English in which possession is indicated by the word
            of followed by the possessive form of a noun or pronoun, as in a relative of
            mine or a friend of Pat's. Also called double possessive. See Usage Note at of.
            www.yourdictionary.com

            /Gdabski
    • Gość: Ola Re: what does double genetive mean ? IP: *.aster.pl 14.01.05, 19:38
      I suggest looking at a good grammar book (Vince, Hewings, Murphy... etc.)
      Good luck!
      • Gość: olo Re: what does double genetive mean ? IP: *.bchsia.telus.net 15.01.05, 03:25
        korulka,
        double genitive : the first one is ..."of"... - implying possession
        the second one is "'s" - e.g. Peter's
        a friend of Peter's - one of many friends that Peter has
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