CPE = graduate in English philology ?

[Gość: Slav]

Morning everybody !
It's sometimes suggested that the command level of English represented by
English philology graduate is comparable with English skills of person who
passed CPE. Similarly, CAE level may be - to some extent - matched with the
abilities of teachers' training college diploma recipient.
Is there anything in this comparison, or it's a mere
speculation/simplification only ?

The above question is not purely theoretical only, since I made a bet on it
with my brother. Bottle of good beer is the stake :0)

[toska^]

Gość portalu: Slav napisał(a):

> Morning everybody !
> It's sometimes suggested that the command level of English represented by
> English philology graduate is comparable with English skills of person who
> passed CPE. Similarly, CAE level may be - to some extent - matched with the
> abilities of teachers' training college diploma recipient.
> Is there anything in this comparison, or it's a mere
> speculation/simplification only ?
>
> The above question is not purely theoretical only, since I made a bet on it
> with my brother. Bottle of good beer is the stake :0)

Teachers training college students have to pass the final exam at CPE level
(sometimes the exam is prepared on the basis of existing CPE tests). As for
English philology - I don't think there is a difference in the level of
language teaching, just more information on culture and linguistics related
subjects.

[pul_mruffki]

> Teachers training college students have to pass the final exam at CPE level
> (sometimes the exam is prepared on the basis of existing CPE tests). As for
> English philology - I don't think there is a difference in the level of
> language teaching, just more information on culture and linguistics related
> subjects.

Dear Toska,
I'm not sure if you're right. My first-year Practical English exam was more or
less based on CPE tests and, in some parts, was even more difficult than
these. After the first year, we were called post-CPE students whatever that
meant and in the subsequent exams you could have been tested on ANYTHING that
was English (and we were). In your final year, you were expected to speak and
write the language of an educated native speaker of English and speak RP.

[Gość: asia]

It's no true, I think. My school English teacher graduated from training
college and guess what, she has some problems dealing even with upper-
intermediate students!

[Gość: Yorick]

Well, of course ANY non-native speaker will have problems sometimes. That's
why 'fluent' is not equal to 'native speaker' e.g. in a CV. I still have to
have my formal letters corrected by a n.s. if I want them to be absolutely
mistake-free. But to became a E.Ph. student you need to sit an exam comprable
perhaps to CAE. And during your studies you focus on lots of things you would
never have noticed otherwise. Phonetics & phonology are the best example.
Besides, related knowledge is not to be marginalised, because cultural
competence is what counts very much at some level.
I think CPE CAN BE in some re4spects comparable to a grade in E.Ph., meaning
that two such persons could do similarly in SOME tests, but remember that a
grade gives A LOT more insights.
rgdz

[Gość: mark]

CPE is not an equivalent to English Diploma!!! NO WAY!!! Language skills vary
on individauls and, surely, one can meet CPE-graduate surpassing E.Ph-graduate
but, de jura, E.Ph. is a formal UNIVERSITY DEGREE!

[Gość: ciekawy]

Gość portalu: mark napisał(a):

> CPE is not an equivalent to English Diploma!!! NO WAY!!! Language skills vary
> on individauls and, surely, one can meet CPE-graduate surpassing E.Ph-
graduate
> but, de jura, E.Ph. is a formal UNIVERSITY DEGREE!
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I agree with Mark. Now we know that in Poland people study for papers not for
the knoledge!