dlaczego ang. "I" pisze sie z duzej litery?

[piopop31]

wie ktos moze/

[jarka63]

Żeby moąna było odróżnić od "i".

[calineczka1977]

Nie to wynika za anglsaskiej kultury, gdzie na pierwszym miejscu stawia sie
siebie a potem druga osobe (goscia) w przeciwienstwie do slowianskiej kultury,
gdzie "Bog w dom, gosc w dom" i gdzie przyjelo sie zeby w pisanym slowie
(przynajmniej epistolarnym) zaimkim "Ty" "Wy" pisac z duzej litery.

[deadeasy]

> Nie to wynika za anglsaskiej kultury, gdzie na pierwszym miejscu stawia sie
> siebie a potem druga osobe (goscia) w przeciwienstwie do slowianskiej
kultury,

noooo... dlatego jak sie wymienia kilka osob to po angielsku sie mowi "X, Y, Z
i ja" - z grzecznosi siebie wymienia sie na koncu

[usenetposts]

calineczka1977 napisała:

> Nie to wynika za anglsaskiej kultury, gdzie na pierwszym miejscu stawia sie
> siebie a potem druga osobe (goscia) w przeciwienstwie do slowianskiej
kultury,
> gdzie "Bog w dom, gosc w dom" i gdzie przyjelo sie zeby w pisanym slowie
> (przynajmniej epistolarnym) zaimkim "Ty" "Wy" pisac z duzej litery.

What utter rubbish.

Do usenetposts

[calineczka1977]

It's not utter rubbish - in the Polish language when you write "You" with a
capital letter it is a sign of respect for the person you are writing to. So
based on that one can assume that the English value themselves more! Have a
little more respect for what other think!!!!!

"Do usenetposts"? You may think you'll "do" me...

[usenetposts]

> It's not utter rubbish - in the Polish language when you write "You" with a
> capital letter it is a sign of respect for the person you are writing to.

So what? There is nothing intrinsically respectful about the use of capital
letters. Get a grip. The notion that what modern Polish does being somehow
relevant to the development of another language in a different language family
is naive, juvenile ignorance.


> So
> based on that one can assume that the English value themselves more!

"Based on that", "based on that". Based on that you can say that Germans value
shit more than Poles value pearls, since "Scheisse" is written with a capital
letter and "perły" with a small one, or that the first word in a sentence is
the most important one. After all, first impressions count.

It's utter rubbish, and that's why I called it utter rubbish.

> Have a
> little more respect for what other think!!!!!

Ha ha ha. You said:

Nie to wynika za anglsaskiej kultury, gdzie na pierwszym miejscu stawia sie
siebie a potem druga osobe (goscia) w przeciwienstwie do slowianskiej kultury,
gdzie "Bog w dom, gosc w dom"


And you expect me to respect that?

Why should I when it's utter rubbish? I was going to call it bigoted nonsense,
but I thought I'd be kind, and I just called it "utter rubbish".

Now instead of seeing your error and being sorry for abusing my culture, you
answer me back and expect me to respect your opinions.

I'll tell you what, start having opinions that DESERVE some respect, and I'll
consider showing you some. On the other hand, if you keep on displaying the
views of a silly little bigot, expect to be treated that way.

And I'm waiting for your apology for suggesting that the Anglosaxon culture is
less hospitable to guests than the polish culture, when this is in fact the
opposite of the case, and time and again I have other foreigners telling me how
Poles do not invite them around and the only time they've been invited by
anyone in Poland has been by another foreigner - not so much in rural Poland,
but especially in Warsaw. Open your eyes and see how it is. Don't just parrot
out tired old cliches and prejudices about Polish culture that are often not
backed up by reality.

Since the "Anglo Saxon culture" has been happy enough to absorb about half a
million of your countrymen over the last couple of years I think you need to
think twice before accusing us of not being a hospitable nation.

[calineczka1977]

Man don't be so aggressive...I know the truth is painful to bear. The British
are self centred and my opinion is based on my personal experiences - I have
been living in the UK and with the Bristish for three years now so I take full
responsibility for my view and I don't intend to apologize to anyone for that
as this is the conclusion I have drawn based on real life experiences. So I
dont't think it was much of a naivety for me to assume that you write "I" with
capital letter and not "You" for example like the Germans!!!
They write "Sie" and "Ihnen"...so that is out of pure respect for another
person. Right?

It's true that so many Poles are living in this country now but I can assure
you that most of them are allured by good salary prospects rather than humble
qualities of the nation and as polls suggest most of them intend to go back to
Poland.


Best regards from London!

-------------

"Nie zgadzam sie z Toba ale zawsze bede szanowal Twojego prawa do wlasnej
opinii"

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calineczka1977 napisała:

> Man don't be so aggressive...

You're the one who mailbombed my private mailbox demanding "respect". Don't do
that, and don't expect to demand respect from me for opinions that are ill
thought out. If you manage to deserve any respect, and not just demand it as of
right when your views about your host country are appalling and ungrateful,
then I'll treat you with it. But not otherwise.

> I know the truth is painful to bear. The British
> are self centred and my opinion is based on my personal experiences - I have
> been living in the UK and with the Bristish for three years now

In London, you say, so you see a very one sided aspect, and let me tell you
that three years is not long enough for you to learn about the character of the
nation well enough to lecture me about it.

> so I take full
> responsibility for my view and I don't intend to apologize to anyone for that
> as this is the conclusion I have drawn based on real life experiences.

Try coming as a foreigner to Poland the way you did to the UK and see how you
get on.

> So I
> dont't think it was much of a naivety for me to assume that you write "I"
with
> capital letter and not "You" for example like the Germans!!!
> They write "Sie" and "Ihnen"...so that is out of pure respect for another
> person. Right?

No, they do it because Martin Luther made that the standard in the Lutherbibel.

The major conventions for Rechtschreibung were made in the Fruehneuhochdeutsch
period especially under influences from Luther, althiugh the Vieenese chancery
also played a major role. Had they decided differently, then things would have
been done differently, and respect or hospitality have nothing to do with it.

I can assure you, that when the Germans began slaughtering six million Jews,
the letters that they wrote to them did not have Sie and Ihnen in lower case
letters. Do you think the Germans REALLY respected those whom they chased into
the gas chambers and put before firing squads? Is that your idea of respect?

If that's the kind of respect you want for your bigoted ideas, I might just be
able to grant it, by the way.

>
> It's true that so many Poles are living in this country now but I can assure
> you that most of them are allured by good salary prospects rather than humble
> qualities of the nation and as polls suggest most of them intend to go back
to
> Poland.
>

And I'm sure they will go back. At least once a year.

>
> Best regards from London!

If that's what you know, then you haven't got to know the real England yet, and
it's not surprising you have weird ideas.

It's highly possible that you don't even know any real English people, if you
live in London.

[deadeasy]

Tu masz odpowiedz:

alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxwhyisi.html
:)

[paper_mate]

deadeasy napisała:

> alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxwhyisi.html :)

Deadeasy you are fabulous!

[deadeasy]

Thank you, but the praise should go to a fabulous search engine and the
Internet.
Behold the power of Google.
;)

[easystreet]

czyli Jarka ma racje; dla odroznienia short "i" od long "ai".
zrodlo w fonetyce.

[easystreet]

arbitrary AND logical!

[skinnycow]

Ludzie nie wierzcie tak slepo wszystkiemu co jest napisane w necie- to nie
encyklopedia! Troche dystansu!

[piopop31]

Ich schrieb doch auf polnisch, also ich erwartete auch die Antwort in dieser
Sprache... ach Leute...:-)

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piopop31 napisał:

> Ich schrieb doch auf polnisch, also ich erwartete auch die Antwort in dieser
> Sprache... ach Leute...:-)

Welchen Teil von "Englisch einlich" tuest nicht Du unterstehen?