native speakers warsaw

[Gość: ami]

Have you ever met with situation when your native has told you that he is
real native but, when you have a meeting with him, all the time you have a
convicted that he is from Poland.
AMI

[Gość: sleepy]

right on , AMI. they mean that they were reared in an english speaking country,
not born there, which makes a huge difference. i'd just ask the prospective
teacher if he/she was born in that country, or just simply lived there (for a
while).
;)

[ewunia_uk]

Gość portalu: sleepy napisał(a):

> they mean that they were reared in an english speaking country,
>

:))))))) Reared... in the manner of piglets or other domestic stock :))))))

[Gość: AMI]

No that's means that your teacher makes you belive that he is natural born
american or english and he in real is polish citizen and after two lessons you
realize that he haven't an idea how to teach english.
AMI

[ewunia_uk]

OKi, I know what you were trying to say, but I couldn't resist poking some fun
at your use of the word "reared" :)))

Not sure about American English, but in British English this word is almost
exclusively used in reference to domestic stock.

[Gość: futurekiwi]

In American/Canadian English it is also used in reference to children :)

[lol21ndm]

Gość portalu: sleepy napisał(a):

> they mean that they were reared in an english speaking country,
>

OMG! LOL

[Gość: AMI]

Oh God!
The real problem isn't about use some words in this or other way, but in that:
there are people who deceive inexperienced ones and tell them that they are
native and good in teaching, but in fact they are neither native nor good
teacher. I want to get some idea how to avoid this problem.

[Gość: Smyk]

When you are able to see(hear) difference in,who is the fake one,you may start
teaching English yourself,as it means you are experienced enough to teach
others.The question remains though,how good as a teacher would you be?
My opinion is,the only real English teachers are the Brits,who can speak
"Queens English",others do not speak proper English.Did I mention middle class
yet?But that's Pandoras box I do not want to open.Smile

[ewunia_uk]

Gość portalu: Smyk napisał(a):

> My opinion is,the only real English teachers are the Brits,who can speak
> "Queens English",others do not speak proper English.Did I mention middle
class
> yet?

Even the British Ministry of Education does not believe this! Local dialects
are actively encouraged in British schools, and teachers are told not to
correct regional variations. Even the BBC is bringing in more and more
regional newscasters. The most popular BBC newsreader at the moment is a
Welshman with a very strong Welsh accent.

The insistence on teaching "Queen's English" is producing a crop of "fluent
English speakers" who come to the UK and are unable to understand a word the
locals speak.

As for "middle class"... I don't really know what to say. What's this got to
do with the price of eggs at the Co-op?

[Gość: Smyk]

ewunia_uk napisała:

> Gość portalu: Smyk napisał(a):
>
> > My opinion is,the only real English teachers are the Brits,who can speak
> > "Queens English",others do not speak proper English.Did I mention middle
> class
> > yet?
>
> Even the British Ministry of Education does not believe this! > regional
newscasters. The most popular BBC newsreader at the moment isLocal dialects
> are actively encouraged in British schools, and teachers are told not to
> correct regional variations. Even the BBC is bringing in more and more
a
> Welshman with a very strong Welsh accent.
>
> The insistence on teaching "Queen's English" is producing a crop of "fluent
> English speakers" who come to the UK and are unable to understand a word the
> locals speak.
>
> As for "middle class"... I don't really know what to say. What's this got to
> do with the price of eggs at the Co-op?
>
You are talking about "political correctness" and I am talking about "quality
English" and you've got to admit that where it comes to quality of speech,you
can't get much better than "middle class,leafy suburbs"of South East!
I am not trying to wind you up,as I myself do not belong here(middle class Pole
living in Bromley-that says it all),but my boy goes to very nice school in
typical middle English area,and the people he mixes with speak purest of the
pure English.He also plays football (in working class area)and you can hear the
diffrence in what boys say,and how they say it(even when boys swear the middle
class kids do it in polite way).
I like friendliness of people from the north,but don't you think some of them
are a bit of tight?But the sexsiest accent according to some survey in Irish
one.
Never mind,we all are trying to improve ourselves all the time and in order to
do that we need to look up to someone,so I am not a snob yet but getting there.
Have a brilliant time in Poland and enjoy yourself.God bless

[peter09]

Smyk - where in Bromley are you from.. i live just round the corner from
Bromley.

In reference to the topic, i can call myself a real native speaker - i was
born and lived all my life in England. I was also lucky to be taught polish
from a young age and have now gone to live in Warsaw. Although currently
sitting in Amsterdam for a year due to work.

I have to say that i can here a huge difference between real native speakers
and speakers that call themselves native. I think its just the uniqueness of
English that makes it very hard for a non "real" native speaker to effectively
learn the language proficiently...

rgds,

[Gość: nativechick]

I was born in Poland and left when I was a child. I can't speak proper Polish
and I've been speaking English my whole life. So, I'm not a native speaker?
Who can judge me? Native speaker refers to language ability not place of birth!

[Gość: sleepy]

nativechick, you say that you were "born in Poland and left when [you were] a
child. [You] can't speak proper Polish and [you]'ve been speaking English [your]
whole life." There is a contradiction in here: did your parents speak English
where they were first had you in Poland? Did your mother speak English to you
while in Poland and later on abroad while you were growing up? You could be
classified as a 'native' speaker in the other sense, the sense of being
encultured in your new community and its language. Becoming proficient in the
use of the new language for someone whose English is a second language is
extremely rare. To judge your level of having acquired this quality of
proficiency is the job of a language specialist, a linguist or just any other
educated person whose mother's first language was English. Judging by the few
words you have offered us in your post, i'd say you are very proficient in the
use of that language, and for me you are a native, even though the dictionary
definition of a one seems to question that....
;)

[Gość: native2]

I am in the same position as native chick. I think all you people who are
looking for native speakers should pray that your teacher speaks Polish
because most of you speak very little English and have problems communicating.
I had some students that insisted I only spoke English and our learning was
like in kindergarden, simply drawing pictures.;)


Gość portalu: sleepy napisał(a):

> nativechick, you say that you were "born in Poland and left when [you were]
a
> child. [You] can't speak proper Polish and [you]'ve been speaking English
[your
> ]
> whole life." There is a contradiction in here: did your parents speak
English
> where they were first had you in Poland? Did your mother speak English to
you
> while in Poland and later on abroad while you were growing up? You could be
> classified as a 'native' speaker in the other sense, the sense of being
> encultured in your new community and its language. Becoming proficient in
the
> use of the new language for someone whose English is a second language is
> extremely rare. To judge your level of having acquired this quality of
> proficiency is the job of a language specialist, a linguist or just any
other
> educated person whose mother's first language was English. Judging by the
few
> words you have offered us in your post, i'd say you are very proficient in
the
> use of that language, and for me you are a native, even though the
dictionary
> definition of a one seems to question that....
> ;)

[Gość: AMI]

I've thought about situation when your teacher makes you belive that he is
native and in fact he have never been, or only for some time, abroad and have a
wacky accent. Question was how to immediately examine teacher and not to be
made to look like an idiot and safe money. I want to know if somebody have met
that situation.
Gość portalu: nativechick napisał(a):

> I was born in Poland and left when I was a child. I can't speak proper Polish
> and I've been speaking English my whole life. So, I'm not a native speaker?
> Who can judge me? Native speaker refers to language ability not place of
birth!

[waldek.usa]

Gość portalu: AMI napisał(a):

> I've thought about situation when your teacher makes you belive that he is
> native and in fact he have never been, or only for some time, abroad and have
a
>
> wacky accent. Question was how to immediately examine teacher and not to be
> made to look like an idiot and safe money. I want to know if somebody have
met
> that situation.
> Gość portalu: nativechick napisał(a):
>
> > I was born in Poland and left when I was a child. I can't speak proper Pol
> ish
> > and I've been speaking English my whole life. So, I'm not a native speaker
> ?
> > Who can judge me? Native speaker refers to language ability not place of
> birth!


Hi there!

I had been an interpreter/translator for The Superior Court in Massachusetts
for few years. Because I was born and educated all the way up to the graduate
level in Poland, and have mastered Polish, I was classified as a native
speaker. During the interview I went through all kinds of language tests. The
work itself was really interesting and demanding. The judge would usually ask
me if I wanted to translate simultaneously, or sentence by sentence. I would
choose simultaneous with sentence-by-sentence option, because from time to time
you have to stop and explain. In this kind of translating you have to be most
sensitive of cultural differences. Many people don’t speak perfect Polish, even
if they have lived all their lives in Poland – I didn’t have to say this, but I
did anyway.
How to tell a phony from a genuine native speaker? Just listen to them, seems
that simple unless I have missed something. It takes more than “some” time to
master the language. I don’t care how boastful people are – it takes few years.
Also – ask for references. I have mine from the Court.
Now, if you can tell me what “safe money” is? Or is it “save money”?
Also, “…he…have a wacky accent” – don’t mind me but “he” “has”…always.
No hard feelings... ;))

[Gość: AMI]

Hey!
I'm not good enough in english, but about "safe" I'd like to say that I'm not
spending money, maybe I should use "save" nevermind for now, about "wacky"
or "whacky"-(informal) absurdly, or amusingly eccentric or irrational.
Anyway thanks for your response.
AMI

[waldek.usa]

Hi there!
I have just realized where you are. You are in ? Warsaw ? Now I understand your
concerns. It's hard to tell how real the person is. However, you can still
tell. I can can give you lessons for ,say, coffee or something stronger ;D
Bye

[Gość: native3]

hello-Most of the people who look for natives in Poland speak very little
English and can't tell the difference.
>
>
>
>
> Gość portalu: AMI napisał(a):
>
> > I've thought about situation when your teacher makes you belive that he is
>
> > native and in fact he have never been, or only for some time, abroad and h
> ave
> a
> >
> > wacky accent. Question was how to immediately examine teacher and not to b
> e
> > made to look like an idiot and safe money. I want to know if somebody have
>
> met
> > that situation.
> > Gość portalu: nativechick napisał(a):
> >
> > > I was born in Poland and left when I was a child. I can't speak prope
> r Pol
> > ish
> > > and I've been speaking English my whole life. So, I'm not a native sp
> eaker
> > ?
> > > Who can judge me? Native speaker refers to language ability not place
> of
> > birth!
>
>
> Hi there!
>
> I had been an interpreter/translator for The Superior Court in Massachusetts
> for few years. Because I was born and educated all the way up to the
graduate
> level in Poland, and have mastered Polish, I was classified as a native
> speaker. During the interview I went through all kinds of language tests.
The
> work itself was really interesting and demanding. The judge would usually
ask
> me if I wanted to translate simultaneously, or sentence by sentence. I would
> choose simultaneous with sentence-by-sentence option, because from time to
time
>
> you have to stop and explain. In this kind of translating you have to be
most
> sensitive of cultural differences. Many people don’t speak perfect Polish
> , even
> if they have lived all their lives in Poland – I didn’t have to say
> this, but I
> did anyway.
> How to tell a phony from a genuine native speaker? Just listen to them,
seems
> that simple unless I have missed something. It takes more than “some̶
> 1; time to
> master the language. I don’t care how boastful people are – it take
> s few years.
> Also – ask for references. I have mine from the Court.
> Now, if you can tell me what “safe money” is? Or is it “save
> money”?
> Also, “…he…have a wacky accent” – don’t min
> d me but “he” “has”…always.
> No hard feelings... ;))
>

[Gość: native]

safe and save are two different words, and what the hell do you know about
accents?!?


Gość portalu: AMI napisał(a):

> I've thought about situation when your teacher makes you belive that he is
> native and in fact he have never been, or only for some time, abroad and
have a
>
> wacky accent. Question was how to immediately examine teacher and not to be
> made to look like an idiot and safe money. I want to know if somebody have
met
> that situation.
> Gość portalu: nativechick napisał(a):
>
> > I was born in Poland and left when I was a child. I can't speak proper Pol
> ish
> > and I've been speaking English my whole life. So, I'm not a native speaker
> ?
> > Who can judge me? Native speaker refers to language ability not place of
> birth!

[teach]

Gość portalu: ami napisał(a):

> Have you ever met with situation when your native has told you that he is
> real native but, when you have a meeting with him, all the time you have a
> convicted that he is from Poland.
> AMI

A native speaker can only be someone who from the very beginning was immersed
in English: his parents, all around him spoke that language.

Anyone who tries to say different is fooling no-one, except perhaps themselves.

If your teacher's name is 'John Smith' or similar he's probably not Polish! If
in doubt ask to see his passport.

[wannabekiwi]

> A native speaker can only be someone who from the very beginning was
immersed
> in English: his parents, all around him spoke that language.
>
> Anyone who tries to say different is fooling no-one, except perhaps
themselves.

My son was born in an English-speaking country (we still live in an English-
speaking country), however, for the first five years of his life, that is
before he started school, he was "immersed" in Polish language and culture.
Most people he was surrounded by spoke to him in Polish. My son didn't even
begin to talk in English until he went to school at the age of five and now
he's speaking better English than Polish. Yet, according to your definition,
he is not "native" because he wasn't immersed in English from the very
beginning, only from the age of five. Hmmm, I really think you should adjust
your definition because it doesn't apply to each and every case. Nothing
personal :)

Cheers.

[waldek.usa]

A five year old child can become a native speaker. At this age there is no
problem. There was a case of a Japanese five year old girl living in Poland,
going to school there, the whole nine yards. She became "polonized", but she
never lost her Nihongo. To become a true native speaker one must learn more
than just everyday or primary school-level language.
Bye

[Gość: ewa]

> A five year old child can become a native speaker. At this age there is no
> problem. There was a case of a Japanese five year old girl living in Poland,
> going to school there, the whole nine yards. She became "polonized", but she
> never lost her Nihongo. To become a true native speaker one must learn more
> than just everyday or primary school-level language.
> Bye

Of course you cannot judge five-year-olds abilities the same way as you would
do adults. My kids were born in Australia, where they started speaking both
Polish (at home) and English (in kindergarten).
My husband is Polish as well so we insist they speak Polish at home, but it is,
and always will be, their second language. Their native language is English, be
it Australian, or British. Their ability to adapt is amazing!! We have been
living in UK for 2 and a half years now and you cannot tell the difference
between them and other local kids when they spead English. After all they spend
nearly 7 hours at school every day.

[Gość: AMI]

Discussion is very interesting but for me the problem is: HOW TO KEEP OUT OF
teachers who lying and want only to get money. Two person have written about
check the passport and references it's good idea. I've fought about it but I've
judged is as na act of rudness. For now i think it was a good idea. By this
thread I've wanted to warn each one who wants to lern english and look for
teacher on his own, in that case it's necessary to examine the teacher very
well. Otherwise you will not learnt what does really means one or another word
and will have a problem with speaking correctly. I've written about this
because now I have problem like this. It's for warning everybody.
AMI

Native speaker of English

[Gość: english-test.net]

Well, learning a language is a complex process that requires a lot of
different activities. Having lessons with a native speaker of English can be
one of them.
However, being born and having grown up in the UK, US or any other 'English
speaking country' is no guarantee for a good teacher nor is holing a
University degree.
If you can trust your own personal skills you will find out whether a teacher
suits your needs or not without checking his or her documents, wouldn't you
agree?
Regards,
english-test.net

[Gość: AMI]

Exactly!
But it will cost a lot of money, before I'll find a suitable teacher.
AMI

[Gość: I]

Gość portalu: english-test.net napisał(a):

> Well, learning a language is a complex process that requires a lot of
> different activities. Having lessons with a native speaker of English can be
> one of them.
> However, being born and having grown up in the UK, US or any other 'English
> speaking country' is no guarantee for a good teacher nor is holing a
> University degree.
> If you can trust your own personal skills you will find out whether a
teacher
> suits your needs or not without checking his or her documents, wouldn't you
> agree?
> Regards,
> english-test.net


exactly my poin I agree 100 percent! Just because you were born there doesn't
mean that you have the qualities to teach. How many people in Poland don' know
how to speak Polish properly??? Would you like to take lessons from those
people. My American friend is learning Polish in Warsaw and he can't find one
good teacher and poland hs how many native speakers????? 30 million or more?

[Gość: ewa]

> Two person have written about check the passport and references
> it's good idea. I've fought about it but I've judged is as na act
> of rudness.

I'm not sure about the passport, but asking for references has nothing
to do with rudeness. It is a common practice everywhere when employing
someone.

[Gość: dry]

Gość portalu: ami napisał(a):

> Have you ever met with situation when your native has told you that he is
> real native but, when you have a meeting with him, all the time you have a
> convicted that he is from Poland.
> AMI


It's a big problem I dont know how to find a solution of thus situation but
I've had common problem.
Dry

[peter09]

personally, i don't think there is any solution that will work in all cases.

i think it comes down to personal judgement and checking out the background of
the person as well as possible.

[Gość: I]

and you crazy people thing that if a person doenst speak polish it means that
he/she is a better teacher. buhahaha

To the creator of this discussion!

[Gość: native]

Gość portalu: ami napisał(a):

> Have you ever met with situation when your native has told you that he is
> real native but, when you have a meeting with him, all the time you have a
> convicted that he is from Poland.
> AMI


AMI, I think we know each other. Please don’t offend the people who managed to
learn more than one language during their lifetime. You seem to be a little
jelous that you never had this opportunity. People who were born in an English
speaking country or went there as little children are native speaker believe
it or not. Those who can speak Polish should be very proud of themselves that
they have learned abroad where they had very little contact with this very
hard to learn language. Their parents spend lots of money to send them to
polish schools or on vacations to Poland. It is not as easy as you may think.
You think that just for your purposes I am going to forget Polish? I also put
lots of effort to be fluent in Spanish, or at least my Spanish is much better
than your English, no offense. I wish you luck with finding a native speaker
from NZ or Australia.

[Gość: AMI]

I don't know if we know each other, but "native" who've taught me knows polish
language maybe better than me and doesn't know a lot of english words I think
basic even for children in english speaking country. In such a situation it's
just dishonest to tell student that teacher is native-speaker. It's doesn't
matter for me how many other language he knows.
I don't know what's the problem with NZ or Australia.


Gość portalu: native napisał(a):

> Gość portalu: ami napisał(a):
>
> > Have you ever met with situation when your native has told you that he is
> > real native but, when you have a meeting with him, all the time you have a
>
> > convicted that he is from Poland.
> > AMI
>
>
> AMI, I think we know each other. Please don’t offend the people who manag
> ed to
> learn more than one language during their lifetime. You seem to be a little
> jelous that you never had this opportunity. People who were born in an
English
> speaking country or went there as little children are native speaker believe
> it or not. Those who can speak Polish should be very proud of themselves that
> they have learned abroad where they had very little contact with this very
> hard to learn language. Their parents spend lots of money to send them to
> polish schools or on vacations to Poland. It is not as easy as you may think.
> You think that just for your purposes I am going to forget Polish? I also put
> lots of effort to be fluent in Spanish, or at least my Spanish is much better
> than your English, no offense. I wish you luck with finding a native speaker
> from NZ or Australia.

[Gość: majka]

Gość portalu: ami napisał(a):

> Have you ever met with situation when your native has told you that he is
> real native but, when you have a meeting with him, all the time you have a
> convicted that he is from Poland.
> AMI

Yes, I have met similar situation in Warsaw. It was only one meeting...

[Gość: AMI]

Can you let me know me about the contact wit this "native" (e.g. e-mail) so
that I will have a possibility recognize this person before I do mistake again?


Gość portalu: majka napisał(a):

> Gość portalu: ami napisał(a):
>
> > Have you ever met with situation when your native has told you that he is
> > real native but, when you have a meeting with him, all the time you have a
>
> > convicted that he is from Poland.
> > AMI
>
> Yes, I have met similar situation in Warsaw. It was only one meeting...

[Gość: vito]

I have had the same situation, it's really big problem. Always look at the
pasport first at list.

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