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Forest Fires and stupid politicians.

24.08.05, 15:26
I translated this article from this page:

sic.sapo.pt/online/noticias/opiniao/20050804+-+A+industria+dos+incendios.htm

Was written by José Gomes Ferreira from the TV channel SIC and points the
real reasons beyind this catastrophe in Portugal.

If some journalist from Gazeta will see this post please use it to denounce
tho the Poles and the world what is really going on
in my country.

Sorry for the mistakes but I had only one hour to do this.

"Officially it’s still running the version that there are not economical
reasons for the majority of blazes in Portugal. Officially it’s told that
this happenings are due to negligenge or for the simple pleasure to observe
the fire. Majority of firestarters can be mentally retarded.

But this tragedy doensn’t happen just because.


1- Why the aircraft fire combat in Portugal is TOTALLY given to private
companies, in opposition to what happens in other European Mediterranean
countries?

Why the testimonies from the population saying that this fires started in
several fronts after the passage of aircrafts are still without investigation
after so many years?


Why the Portuguese state has 700 million euros to buy two submarines and
doesn’t have half of that asset to buy half a dozen of Canadair water bombers?


Why there are Air Force pilots with formation to fight fires and they stay
all the summer without occupation in the military bases?


Why the military have ordered new helicopters without this ones beeing
prepared to the fire combat? Can the country afford that?


Most part of the wood used by the paper industry to produce paper pulp can be
used after the fires without great loses in the quality. Meanwhyle the
woodcutters pay only a third of the price to the forestal producers. Who his
earning with this business? Few weeks ago a reseller woodcutter was arrested
in the central part of the country, we was suspected of starting fires.
Strangly, the autorities are still saying that there are no economical
reasons in the fires…


3- If the autorities know about this cases, as many journalists in this
country, mostly those with formation in environment, they can point the lands
where few years ago forest fires happened and now are urban land or in way
of becoming like that.


4 – SIC TV channel and other media received anonimous letters and phone calls
like this: „While associative hunting and touristic reserves will exist in
Portugal, the country will keep on burning”. A clear revenge of those who
don’t want to pay to hunt in those spaces and want the return of the so
called „regime livre” (free haunting spaces)


Unfortunetly, in the North and Center of the country many fires are still
started in order that during the first rain falls the plants will be more
tender and atractive for the flocks.

About one and a half year ago, the former minister of agriculture wanted to
have an agreement with the 3 main portuguese TV channels, in order to avoid
many of the images of the fires to be broadcasted during summer. They’re
argument was that, more fire they saw in the screen, more the fire starters
would be motivated to commit crimes…


I was in the meeting. Of course the agreement was not accepted, but
personally I was infuriated. How it was possible that so many citizens in
this country where loosing they’re incomes in the forest – and even they’re
houses – and the political power was only worried with something perfectly
irrelevant?

Strangly, we are again confrontated with suggestions from the responsibles of
the state in order to avoid the brodcasting of images and fires devastating
the country.

There is a fire industry in Portugal, in wich responsibles don’t obbey to
any common organization but have the some goal – to destroy the forest
because they’re taking benefits from this kind of crime.

Strangly, the Portuguese State doesn’t do what it could and should do:


1 – To assume directly the aircraft resources to fight the fires as fast as
possible. To purchase the resources, cancelling, if necessary, other
contracts of military equipments.


2 – To distribute military personnel in the forests, during summer, in
permanent surveilance actions. (By the contrary, what is seen are occasional
actions of vigilance and combat to fires).


3 – To change the law for crimes regarding fire, increasing the punishments,
investigations and punish efectvely the criminal.


4 – To stricktlyphorbid all the constructions in the burned areas during the
periods previewed in the law.

5 - Encourage the cleaning of weeds, promoting the value of the residues,
woods and weeds, creating power plants adapted to this type of fuel.


6 - Having a clear notion of the causes for this tragedy and with simple but
effective measures, will be possible to believe that in a period of 20 years
the Portuguese landscape will not be the same as in Northern Africa. If
everything will stay as it is, the physical ressamblences with Morrocco will
be unavoidable in a short period."

José Gomes Ferreira

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    • keepersmaid Re: Forest Fires and stupid politicians. 25.08.05, 11:52
      You are aware that part of the planes and helicopters with pilots that operate
      every year in Portugal come from Poland?
      I'm not sure if Polish media will be interested in ruining their business, but
      then knowing Polish people, maybe they will want to ruin something for someone
      else just for the heck of it...

      BTW, Portugal needs Navy and AirForce, look at any map, especially the one
      showing the maritime boundaries around Azores and Madeira. Portugal does not
      need too much army (ground forces) though. Ah, and we really should have
      something like US Coast Guard...

      We could also exceptionally introduce some sharia law, and cut hands of those
      who start the fires.
      • portulaco Re: Forest Fires and stupid politicians. 25.08.05, 12:52
        Hi keepersmaid.

        I didn't know about the Polish pilots and aircrafts.

        If it is like you say than no Polish media will be concerned with pointing the
        incompetence of Portuguese government, anyway EU emergency funds will be payed
        by all the members of the 25 and for sure this money will be used to help the
        construction of the new Lisbon airport and the TGV train.

        NATO members agreed that Portugal doesn't need any submarines and the 700
        million euros are obviously a sick idea of self promotion from that faggot ex-
        minister of defense Paulo Portas.

        Azores and Madeira are already controlled by the USA and further control only
        for UFO surveilance, they say there are lot of sightings there.

        For sure lot of Portuguese men would like to have Sharia to cover they're wifes
        from others but for God sake...

        • keepersmaid Re: Forest Fires and stupid politicians. 25.08.05, 15:52
          How about fishing resources? Environmental control? It's of Portugal's vital
          interest to control those or there will be nothing left soon.
          Last year president Sampaio went to Desertas and it was not a courtesy or
          tourist trip, he went on a warship to stress Portuguese sovereignity of the
          islands, because the Spanish were slowly almost taking over, not the islands as
          such but the 200 miles around.

          Portugal is supposed to be a freaking maritime nation! Agriculture is dead,
          except for gourmet wines and olive and cheese nothing else has future. Industry
          is dead - opening the frontiers to Chinese textiles was the final blow. Portugal
          needs to hold to whatever's left - sea, relative peace, good climate, nice people.

          BTW, I happen to think that "the faggot" is much more intelligent than most
          current ministers, who approved of his purchases...
    • portulaco Re: Forest Fires and stupid politicians. 26.08.05, 10:40
      Keepersmaid,

      Between our messages good news came from Sao Bento, it seems that Portuguese
      government will purchase two Canadair airplanes to aid the combat to all this
      blazes.

      What I really don’t understand is your point of view. You agree with the
      expense of 700 million euros in two submarines to control environment, fishing
      resources and the „ilhas selvagens” when the mainland is burning every Summer?

      Explain me the utility of submarines to control the environment.

      Fishing resources? Most part of Portuguese trawlers are fishing in the New
      Found Land and Norwegian Sea, using illegal fishing nets and running away from
      the Canadian Cost Guard, besides the fishing industry is also in the edge of
      collapse because of EU funds to encourage the dismantle of the fishing fleets…

      Bacalhau in less than 20 years will be over in the North Atlantic because of
      excessive fishing, only a few trawlers will be fishing sardines if so.

      President Sampaio visited „Desertas” in a demonstration of sovereignity of
      Portugal in those miniature islands, it is true that Spanish and they’re
      arrogant manners need to be halted (I agree with you) but 700 million euros two
      show to Spain who rules „Selvagens” is absolutely a joke.

      Some defend that the control of narcotic traffic, smugglers and illegal
      emigrants from Africa in the Portuguese EEA justifies this purchase.

      Drug traficants and smugglers use speed boats to do the business, most of this
      speed boats are able to speed over 60 knots (110 km/h) whyle this submarines
      maximum speed goes for 30 knots (56 km/h), it’s like a Maluch chasing a BMW 735…

      How many speed boats the Portuguese navy would buy with only a quarter of this
      budget?

      Agriculture is dead and will be because those f****** politicians are more
      interested in political matters instead of the country itself, the Alqueva damn
      will be a highly expensive tool to water the golf fields, the rich
      people "Monte Alentejano" and the expensive touristic resources in Alentejo
      region whyle the farmers see the green fields in the other side of the border
      and they're lands burned.

      ”BTW, I happen to think that "the faggot" is much more intelligent than most
      current ministers, who approved of his purchases...”

      I would be unfair saying that Paulo Portas is an idiot, he is not. But he is
      an arrogant bourgois pretending to be popular and working in fact for a self
      centered lobby political elite.
      • keepersmaid Re: Forest Fires and stupid politicians. 26.08.05, 18:59
        Oh dear, where to start...

        A ZEE de Portugal é uma das maiores da Europa com cerca de 1.6 milhões de
        quilómetros quadrados, cerca de 18 vezes a área continental.
        gasa.dcea.fct.unl.pt/infozee/3.3.htm
        (Portuguese Exclusive Economic Zone is one of the largest in Europe with around
        1.6 million sq kilometers, about 18 times the area of land).
        These have to be controlled and patrolled somehow. Modern vessels cost money,
        more in electronics than exactly in weaponry.

        BTW, you direct me to blogs that are too far right for me, and now you come with
        all this left wing thinking? Weird...

        Well, the submarines, the choppers and surveillance aircraft are not to catch
        smugglers by the coast, they are to show them who rules and intercept suspect
        cargo far away before it reaches the coast even. Most drugs enter Portugal
        through ports, in containers under false ecargo manifests anyway... But should
        Portugal give up what's left of it's sovereignity just like that?

        I don't care for bacalhau or the Canadians, but here around the coast the
        resources have to be protected, somebody has to chase out the Spanish and others
        sometimes.

        Back to the forest fires - I hear there are more and more firefighting men and
        equipment every year, and every year there are more fires. Something's deeply
        wrong here, and it's been like this under several governments. One of the points
        is "pais dos brandos costumes" - where nobody ever gets caught, goes to trial or
        is sentenced seriously.
        Show me a government and law able to mess with forest landowners, civil
        constructors, local powers, why not - football clubs, catch effectively those
        who don't pay taxes... Not in Portugal... And it's not the question of money
        spent on submarines.

        Bom fim-de-semana que eu vou para o Alentejo!
        • keepersmaid Re: Forest Fires and stupid politicians. 26.08.05, 19:00
          E ainda :)
          quercus.sensocomum.pt/pages/defaultArticleViewOne.asp?storyID=879
          • portulaco Re: Forest Fires and stupid politicians. 27.08.05, 12:08
            You're right in everything but nothing will convince me about the necessity to
            buy two submarines.

            I gave you links to this right wing sites because of the impression you pass in
            your posts, it seems that you are prone to accept the conservative right wing
            mentalities.

            Have a nice weekend too, I'm going to Bąkowa Góra, somehow a Polish Alentejo.

            Problem in Portugal are the priorities of the government. Example, the
            development of Lisbon comparing to the rest of the country.
            • keepersmaid Re: Forest Fires and stupid politicians. 29.08.05, 16:47
              If being opposed to excessive Euro-integration is being conservative - I am.
              If defending some traditional things deemed not policitally correct is
              conservative - I am.
              If being against overblown state machine is being conservative - I am.
              If being disgusted at people saying "the state has to take care of me, the state
              has to give me..." is being conservative - I am.

              Other than that *looks around* mhm, no, I don't think so. I even recall voting
              anarchist once (before there was Bloco de Esquerda).

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