Palestynian Authority przyznaje - nie było masakry

[yidele]

www.washtimes.com/world/20020501-5587072.htm

[bimi]

yidele napisał(a):

> www.washtimes.com/world/20020501-5587072.htm

A możne prosić o podobnego linka, ale do jakieś normalnej gazety?

Widzisz Bimi obroncoi nieprawdziej prawdy!!!!

[kochanka]

Jednak lece do nieb HIhi.

No coz mieli Palestynczycy zrobic jak trupy im uciekaly?

[bimi]

kochanka napisał(a):

> Jednak lece do nieb HIhi.
>
> No coz mieli Palestynczycy zrobic jak trupy im uciekaly?

Jasne. A wczoraj "Corriere della Sera" napisała, że terroryści chcą zaatakować
Watykan! :) Wprawdzie nikt nie wie po jaką cholerę Palestyńczycy mieli by walczyć
z chrześcijanami, którzy de facto są po ich stronie, ale co tam - ważne, żeby
napisać coś, co poruszy tłumy... ;-)
Jesteście żałośni!

[werw]

Bimi czy ty sam to wymyślasz czy też masz jakiś specjalny program,np. Najbardziej
Bezsensowne Odpowiedzi 1.0 czy podobny?

[bimi]

werw napisał(a):

> Bimi czy ty sam to wymyślasz czy też masz jakiś specjalny program,np.
> Najbardziej Bezsensowne Odpowiedzi 1.0 czy podobny?

Ej, chyba nie myślisz, że uwierzę w to, iż jacyś arabscy terroryści chcą dokanać
zamachu na Watykan?! :) To już prędzej uwierzę w to, że Mossad chce to zrobić i
zgonić winę na arabskich terrorystów...

[yidele]

Znając twój wstręt do linków amerykanskich, załączam tekst, abyś nie musiał
sobie myszki brudzić:


Jenin 'massacre' reduced to death toll of 56
By Paul Martin
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


JENIN, West Bank — Palestinian officials yesterday put the death toll at
56 in the two-week Israeli assault on Jenin, dropping claims of a massacre of
500 that had sparked demands for a U.N. investigation. Top Stories
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The official Palestinian body count, which is not disproportionate to the
33 Israeli soldiers killed in the incursion, was disclosed by Kadoura Mousa
Kadoura, the director of Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement for the northern West
Bank, after a team of four Palestinian-appointed investigators reported to him
in his Jenin office.
[Two weeks ago, when European and particularly London newspapers were
reporting estimates of "hundreds" massacred, Israeli sources in Washington said
they expected the Palestinian toll to reach "45 to 55."]
U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan suggested yesterday, in the wake of the
Palestinian body count, that he may disband a U.N. fact-finding team that was
to visit the camp to determine whether a massacre had taken place.
Mr. Annan was responding to a decision by the Israeli security Cabinet
earlier in the day not to cooperate with the U.N. team.
The U.N.-Israeli dispute appeared unrelated to the Palestinian admission
there had been no massacre.
The Palestinians had suggested that most of the bodies were buried beneath
the rubble of houses bulldozed by Israeli troops. No digging for bodies was
taking place here, and there was no stench that could have come from decaying
human flesh.
The earlier Palestinian claims had sparked international outrage and
prompted the Bush administration to press Israel to accept a fact-finding
mission by the United Nations, an organization that the Jewish state regards as
having a pro-Palestinian bias.
Mr. Kadoura yesterday showed a reporter for The Washington Times the
official Palestinian list of those who died. It contained 50 names. Six
additional bodies, he said, had not been identified.
He no longer used the ubiquitous Palestinian charge of "massacre" and
instead portrayed the battle as a "victory" for Palestinians in resisting
Israeli forces. "Here the Israelis, who tried to break the Palestinian
willpower, have been taught a lesson," Mr. Kadoura said.
He insisted that Israel had tried but failed, thanks to the heavy
fighting, to destroy the entire warren of homes in the camp that had housed
11,000 people.
The destruction, pictured graphically on television, appeared linked to
Israeli bulldozing of the houses from which the remnant of the resistance
forces were firing.
In fact, it covers the size of a large football field and constitutes only
about 10 percent of the housing in the camp, and a far smaller proportion of
the housing in the city, which was largely left untouched by the Israeli
incursion.
The figures shown to The Times included 233 injured persons, mainly men.
The figures revealed that 18 persons had been injured and one had died after
the fighting had ended, the result of accidentally detonating either shells
left after the fighting, or booby traps that were set by Palestinian gunmen
throughout the camp.
A British expert attached to the International Red Cross said these booby
traps were almost identical to those used by the Irish Republican Army.
The British claim suggested to analysts that IRA guerrillas were schooled
in terrorist weaponry and irregular warfare, as were many radical guerrilla
movements, in Palestinian, Syrian and Iranian training camps in Lebanon.
From behind a desk bedecked by portraits of Mr. Arafat, a string of
past "martyrs" and of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, the Palestinian chief
official in the city, who is also the Fatah leader, portrayed in an interview
the events as another chapter in a long saga of resistance to foreign invaders —
from Crusader times onward — that, he said, had made Jenin "the heart of
Palestine" for centuries.
The propaganda war continues, meanwhile, in the refugee camp itself.
Families whose homes had been destroyed were ordered to sit and lie inside
tents pitched near the destruction, to be available for interviews and filming
with foreign reporters and photographers. At dusk, with the press opportunities
concluded, they returned to houses offered to them in the undamaged city or in
the rest of the refugee camp.
Other young men, members of various factions, have been on duty in the
camp's narrow streets, eager to conduct foreign correspondents to places where
they say Israelis killed militants after they surrendered or had been captured.
Others in the city say the resistance to the Israeli incursion had been
carried out by only about 10 percent of the militants who had originally been
in the area. Most had retreated into the hills or into city back streets as the
Israelis entered the area, they said.
Families living in houses directly opposite the destroyed area have told
The Washington Times that Israeli soldiers, who temporarily occupied their
houses just before the final battle began, treated them without violence and
assured them: "You will not be harmed."
They confined the 36 members of the Abu Khalil family to two rooms,
allowing them out one by one, and set up a snipers' point upstairs through two
holes in the wall — under a family framed message in Arabic: "There is No God
but Allah and Mohammed is His Messenger."
They confiscated identity cards but left them on the table before slipping
out during the night.
At the United Nations in New York, Undersecretary-General Kieran
Prendergast said "a thorough, credible and balanced report on recent events in
Jenin refugee camp would not be possible without the cooperation of the
government of Israel."
"Since it appears from today's Cabinet statement by Israel that the
difficulties in the way of deployment of the fact-finding team will not be
resolved anytime soon, the secretary-general is minded to disband the team," he
told reporters after briefing the U.N. Security Council.
Diplomats said Mr. Prendergast told council members that Mr. Annan was
leaning toward disbanding the three-member team, which has been joined by
numerous advisers. The team, which was to have arrived in Jenin on Saturday,
remained in Geneva yesterday.
The Security Council is to take up the issue of whether or not to disband
the mission at a meeting today.
The United States put forward the resolution adopted by the Security
Council welcoming the dispatch of a U.N. team to find out what happened in
Jenin during the Israeli military's attacks.
Israel initially agreed to the idea, but subsequently raised questions
over the composition of the team, its scope of inquiry, who could be called as
a witness and what documents would be presented to the panel.
Mr. Prendergast said that "with every passing day, it becomes more
difficult to determine what happened" in Jenin. U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte
said Mr. Annan was considering whether to let the fact-finding team begin its
work in Geneva or "simply abandoning the mission on the assumption that
satisfactory terms of reference could not be worked out."

[bimi]

yidele napisał(a):

> Znając twój wstręt do linków amerykanskich, załączam tekst, abyś nie musiał
> sobie myszki brudzić:

Pobrudziłem. I nie wierzę. Naczytałem się już tylu kłamstw w żydo-amerykańskiej
prasie, że kolejne stanowią dla mnie co najwyżej dobrą rozrywkę.

[yidele]

The Big Jenin Lie
The only good thing about the Jenin "massacre" was watching the propaganda
being debunked in record time.
by Richard Starr
05/08/2002 12:00:00 AM


Richard Starr, managing editor





PRECISELY A MONTH AGO, on April 8, the Palestinian news agency Wafa was
reporting that Israel had committed the "massacre of the 21st century" in the
Palestinian refugee camp in Jenin. "Medical sources" informed Wafa of "hundreds
of martyrs." This was a lie, concocted not only for local consumption--to keep
the Palestinian people whipped up in a patriotic, Israel-hating frenzy--but
mostly for export to the West.

That same day, you could hear breathless reports of the supposed Israeli
atrocities in Jenin being spread by Palestinian sources on NPR, CNN, and
elsewhere. Typical was the hysteria of Nasser al-Kidwa, the Palestinian
representative to the United Nations, on CNN: "There's almost a massacre now
taking place in Jenin. Helicopter gun ships are throwing missiles at one square
kilometer packed with almost 15,000 people in a refugee camp. . . . Just look
at the TV and watch, watch what the--what the Israel forces are doing. . . .
This is a war crime, clear war crime, witnessed by the whole world, preventing
ambulances, preventing people from being buried. I mean this is an all-out
assault against the whole population."

No, this was an all-out assault on the truth. There was a pitched battle in
Jenin. But the "hundreds" of martyrs were a cynical invention. The death toll
was 56 Palestinians, the majority of them combatants, and 23 Israeli soldiers.

Unlike the celebrated foreign-dispatch lies of the 20th century--the New York
Times's Walter Duranty Pulitzer-winning cover-up of Stalin's murderous Ukraine
famine, say, or Herbert Matthews's 1957 reports of Senor Fidel Castro's hopes
for a "democratic Cuba"--the Jenin fraud has been almost entirely inflated and
then deflated in the short space of a month. I think it's safe to say that no
one will win a Pulitzer for reporting on the (non-existent) "massacre of the
21st century." This was amateur-hour propaganda, and any reporter who fell for
it should be mortified.

Mostly that means British reporters. Full credit to the Guardian for allowing
Sharon Sadeh to administer a well-deserved flogging to Fleet Street in its
pages on Monday. "The Independent, the Guardian and the Times, in particular,"
writes Sadeh, "were quick to denounce Israel and made sensational accusations
based on thin evidence, fitting a widely held stereotype of a defiant, brutal
and don't-give-a-damn Israel." You can read the whole satisfying piece here.

Not that American reporters were without sin. Screenwriter Daniel Gordan's
description of the ax-grinding media in action is also worth a click. My
favorite part is his description of this encounter between CNN's Sheila
MacVicar and an Israeli soldier in Jenin:

"One [Israeli] reservist sensed MacVicar's hostility. He was a soft-spoken man
who approached her and introduced himself as the reserve unit's medical
officer, Dr. David Zangen. He told her that when the fighting was over, they
found photograph albums of children from roughly 6 years of age up through
early and mid-teens. It was an album of photos of children who would be the
next crop of suicide killers, with notations indicating when each of the
children would be ripe. The reporter had no time for the doctor, however.

"'Perhaps you should ask yourself why,'" she said, dismissing him.

"'I do, madam,' he said, 'I ask myself why. I can't imagine it. I can't imagine
sending one's child out to be a mass murderer who commits suicide to kill women
and children.'

"'Well, I can explain it,' said the reporter. 'For me it all comes down to one
word, "occupation."'

"'But madam,' the doctor said, 'Jenin hasn't been occupied for nine years.'"

Oops.

[yidele]

Moze jeszcze ten:
media.guardian.co.uk/mediaguardian/story/0,7558,710532,00.html

How Jenin battle became a 'massacre'

Despite flimsy evidence British papers jumped the gun to apportion blame when a
West Bank refugee camp was attacked, says Sharon Sadeh. As a result, the
reputation of the press has been damaged

Monday May 6, 2002
The Guardian

Reporting from a battlefield has always been a risky, uncertain and frustrating
business, all the more so when the dominant military forces are hostile and
often non-cooperative. And yet, skimming through the pages of the British and
US mainstream papers over the past month might leave even the least inquisitive
reader baffled: how couldreputable correspondents produce such different
accounts of the Israeli assault on the refugee camp in the West Bank town of
Jenin?

The battle of Jenin was indisputably fierce and bloody. But while the British
papers, almost unanimously, presented it from the outset as a "massacre" or at
least as an intentional "war crime" of the worst kind, the US and Israeli
papers - Ha'aretz included - were far more reserved and cautious, saying that
there was no evidence to back such claims. The left-liberal press in Britain
thought differently. The Independent, the Guardian and the Times, in
particular, were quick to denounce Israel and made sensational accusations
based on thin evidence, fitting a widely held stereotype of a defiant, brutal
and don't-give-a-damn Israel.

Consider, for instance, the following reports, which appeared on April 16.
Under the headline "Amid the ruins, the grisly evidence of a war crime", the
Independent's Phil Reeves wrote: "A monstrous war crime that Israel has tried
to cover up for a fortnight has finally been exposed." Reeves, like his Times
and Telegraph colleagues, all quote the same lone individual, Kamal Anis, who
said that he "saw the Israeli soldiers pile 30 bodies beneath a half-wrecked
house. When the pile was complete, they bulldozed the building, bringing its
ruins down on the corpses. Then they flattened the area with a tank." The
verdict of Times correspondent, Janine di Giovanni, was no less harsh: "Rarely
in more than a decade of war reporting . . . have I seen such deliberate
destruction, such disrespect for human life." This was followed by an emotive
leader in the Guardian, on April 17, which compared the effects of the Israeli
operation in Jenin to September 11.

Cotrast that to the descriptions in US and Israeli papers of the same events.
The New York Times said: "Since the Israeli assault on Jenin began . . . aid
groups have complained that Israeli soldiers have blocked ambulances and
prevented aid from reaching the camp . . . Saed Dabayeh, who said he stayed in
the camp through the fighting, led a group of reporters to a pile of rubble
where he said he watched from his bedroom window as Israeli soldiers buried 10
bodies . . . The Palestinian accounts could not be verified."

The Washington Post was even less equivocal: "Interviews with residents inside
the camp and international aid workers who were allowed here for the first time
today indicated that no evidence has surfaced to support allegations by
Palestinian groups and aid organisations of large-scale massacres or executions
by Israeli troops."

A week later, the picture became clearer. In the absence of credible evidence
to substantiate insinuations of cold-blooded "massacre" or "summary
executions", the British press changed its tone slightly. Many of the papers
carried highly detailed accounts of events in Jenin, which discounted
Palestinian claims that a massacre had taken place. Nonetheless, these same
accounts were at pains to argue that lesser Israeli "war crimes" had indeed
occurred, ranging from denial of medical care to Palestinian wounded to
indiscriminate and wanton destruction of houses and property. This charge was
often repeated in leading articles, especially in the Independent and the
Guardian.

In fairness, Israel's own blunders have contributed to the initial damning
impression of events in Jenin. Statements by the foreign minister, Shimon
Peres, that the Palestinians might present the Jenin battle as a massacre, and
that of the IDF spokesmen, to the effect that "hundreds" of Palestinians were
killed - both statements were later hastily retracted - fuelled confusion and
suspicion. These errors were compounded by blocking journalists and aid
agencies from entering the camp, which led to another charge, also widely
reported, of an alleged cover-up by the Israeli forces.

But does all this justify the overall line and tone of coverage? Pictures of
the devastation in Jenin commanded substantial space and were accompanied by
emotional descriptions taken from survivors, without a serious attempt to cross-
examine their claims, and often without even recording the Israeli version of
events (which was meticulously documented throughout the operation).

In line with the prevalent tradition, the liberal British press has made an
extensive and creative use of figurative language in its reports, which
betrayed both bias and an attempt to elicit emotional response from the readers
which could be translated into increased sales circulation.

In British broadsheets, the style of reporting is such that the distinction
between commentary and news reporting is blurred. More often than not, this
comes at the expense of accuracy, depth and perspective. Israel - which
perceives the liberal European press as manifestly hostile and systematically
biased - is entitled to be concerned about the effects of this approach, but it
should also worry the UK audience. British reporters are entitled to form their
own opinion on Israeli policies, but it cannot be based on anything but facts.

Selective use of details or information and occasional reliance on
unsubstantiated accounts inflict considerable damage on the reputation of the
entire British press, and more importantly, do a disservice to its readers. The
US media, especially the press, were wilfully oblivious, prior to the September
11 attacks, to the issues which might have captured more accurately and
profoundly the realities regarding the Middle East and the Muslim world, and
the appropriate way of approaching and handling them. Are the British media in
a similar state of self-denial?

Sharon Sadeh is London correspondent of the Israeli liberal newspaper Ha'aretz.
www.haaretzdaily.com

[yidele]

I oczywiscie pro-arabski Daily Telegraph...

www.dailytelegraph.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,4247563%
255E401,00.html

załączam wycinek:

The Jenin Hospital said yesterday 52 bodies had been recovered so far.

The eight days of fierce house-to-house fighting in the camp ended on April 11
and left 23 Israeli soldiers dead and dozens more wounded.

Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat today called Jenin "the new Stalingrad,"
referring to the Russian city now known as Volgograd where about 1 million
Soviet soldiers and civilians died during a 200-day offensive by the German
army, in the bloodiest battle of World War ll.

Other Palestinian officials have alleged that hundreds of Palestinians were
killed during the Israeli invasion of the Jenin camp.

Palestinian Cabinet Minister Saeb Erekat told CNN that 500 Palestinians had
been killed in the fighting, although he later told The Associated Press he
could not document the figure.

Human Rights Watch said its experts had found nothing to back such allegations.

"Human Rights Watch did not find evidence to support claims that the (Israeli
military) massacred hundreds of Palestinians in the camp," the report said.

Fakhri Turkman, a Palestinian Legislative Council member and the head of an
emergency committee set up to help camp residents, criticised Human Rights
Watch and other groups who did not use the term "massacre" to describe the
Israeli operation.

"Sometimes we call it a massacre when you kill one innocent person," he said.

[bimi]

yidele napisał(a):

> I oczywiscie pro-arabski Daily Telegraph...
>
> www.dailytelegraph.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,4247563%255E401,00.html
>
>
> załączam wycinek:

Fajny wycinek.:)
A wszytsko zaczyna się tak:

Jenin 'war crimes' revealed
From Steve Weizman in Jerusalem
[...]

Czy Weizman to pro-arabskie nazwisko? :)

[yidele]

Widzę że tresci ci zabrakło - to się nazwisk czepiasz. Poczytaj sobie Joseph'a
Farrah ( araba ) na ten sam temat.

Dla mnie sprawa jest prosta...

[bimi]

Gdyby w Jeninie nie było żadnej masakry, to Izrael nie zabraniał by komisji ONZ
na odwiedzenie tego obozu. Bo niby co by mu to przeszkadzało? I tak zostały tam
już tylko ruiny. Chyba, ze w swej szlachetności bali się, że komuś z komisji
może spaść cegła na głowę... ;-)

[yidele]

ciekawe, przecież sami palestynczycy mówia że zginęło 56 nie 500 - czyzby Oni
też byli kłamcami? a moze to Zydzi? Mussa Kadoura jest oficjalnym
przedstawicielem P.A - czy aby nie krypto-żyd?

Załączam link
www.khaleejtimes.co.ae/ktarchive/040502/middleeast.htm

[yidele]

A to z serwera UN:
domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/85255a0a0010ae82852555340060479d/12188ed0844d9f
e185256bb100510ec2!OpenDocument

Sparawa jest prosta. Arabowie twierdzą ze zginęło 56 to kim sa ludzie zadajacy
im kłam?

odpowiedz zostawiam tobie -

tylko komisja śledcza ONZ

[Gość: MeF]

Prawdę o Jeninie mogłaby bezprzecznie ustalić WYŁĄCzNIE niezależana komisja
śledcza ONZ. Powołanie takowej było dla Izraela zbyt niebezpieczne.
Prawdopodobnie nigdy nie dowiemy się co to się wydażyło

[yidele]

taak, ale teraz sami Arabowie twierdza że zgineło 56 nie 500 czy 5000 - czy im
tez zalezy na tym aby ONZ nie powołało komisji?

[bigobserver]

yidele napisał(a):

> taak, ale teraz sami Arabowie twierdza że zgineło 56 nie 500 czy 5000 - czy im
> tez zalezy na tym aby ONZ nie powołało komisji?

Zresztą
sama liczba, jak Ci już pisano, istotna nie jest - w koncu normalny człowiek,z
normalnym poczuciem zła i dobra pojmuje że chodzi tu o motywacje zabójców, nie
zaś o liczbę ofiar - ale dla Ciebie istotna zdaje się być nie zbrodnia lecz
scisłe zarachowanie kosci

Mam swoje zdanie, ale sie z nim nie zgadzam.

[bimi]

bigobserver napisał(a):

> Zresztą
> sama liczba, jak Ci już pisano, istotna nie jest - w koncu normalny człowiek,z
> normalnym poczuciem zła i dobra pojmuje że chodzi tu o motywacje zabójców, nie
> zaś o liczbę ofiar - ale dla Ciebie istotna zdaje się być nie zbrodnia lecz
> scisłe zarachowanie kosci

Właśnie - co za różnica ilo cyfrowa jest liczba ofiar? Ważna jest zbrodnia i jej
fakt. Prawda? Wszak czy to nie wy mówicie, że co za różnica 1600 czy 300? No więc
co to za różnica 500 czy 56?

[yidele]

zadna, panie b, jeno w Jenin zbrodni nie było - tam bandyci z bronia w reku
walczyli z IDF. zbrodnia w Jedwabnem jest o tyle oczywista, ze jesli wpedza sie
1600 osób czy 1 osobe do budynku ktory jest potem podpalany, nie ma mowy o
jakiejkolwiek obronie czy konfrontacji. Arabowie w Jennin minowali własne domy -
tym spowodowali smierc tych +- 7 niewinnych cywili. W jedwabnem Zydzi, wszyscy
niekombatanci, zostali brutalnie zgładzeni przez bandytów i zboczenców którzy
chcieli zagrabic ich mienie lub po prostu dac upust swej nienawisci

[bimi]

yidele napisał(a):

> zadna, panie b, jeno w Jenin zbrodni nie było - tam bandyci z bronia w reku
> walczyli z IDF. zbrodnia w Jedwabnem jest o tyle oczywista, ze jesli wpedza sie
> 1600 osób czy 1 osobe do budynku ktory jest potem podpalany, nie ma mowy o
> jakiejkolwiek obronie czy konfrontacji. Arabowie w Jennin minowali własne domy
> - tym spowodowali smierc tych +- 7 niewinnych cywili. W jedwabnem Zydzi, wszyscy
> niekombatanci, zostali brutalnie zgładzeni przez bandytów i zboczenców którzy
> chcieli zagrabic ich mienie lub po prostu dac upust swej nienawisci

Nie rozumiem, skąd posiada pan tak rozległą wiedzę na temat obu tych wydarzeń...

[yidele]

wszak to wiedza publicznie dostępna - o Jedwabnem poczytać można lub obejżeć
wywiady z zyjacymi jeszcze swiadkami - zas co do Jenin, wszak sami sprawcy z
Fatah i tanzimu chwalą się ustami oficjalnego spikera P.A

Utrata wiarygodnosci

[eu_lola]

bigobserver napisał(a):

> yidele napisał(a):
>
> > taak, ale teraz sami Arabowie twierdza że zgineło 56 nie 500 czy 5000 - cz
> y im
> > tez zalezy na tym aby ONZ nie powołało komisji?
>
> Zresztą
> sama liczba, jak Ci już pisano, istotna nie jest - w koncu normalny człowiek,z
> normalnym poczuciem zła i dobra pojmuje że chodzi tu o motywacje zabójców, nie
> zaś o liczbę ofiar - ale dla Ciebie istotna zdaje się być nie zbrodnia lecz
> scisłe zarachowanie kosci
>
> Mam swoje zdanie, ale sie z nim nie zgadzam.
>
>

Czy ty sie gigo sam czasami czytasz ?

[yidele]

Idz spac, juereczku, pozno już - czytac sie pierwej naucz.

Eulola, ebola

[werw]

Jakby powiedział Jewhater: zoł er lebn - (oder nit łang)

[yidele]

nie zgadzasz sie ze swym zdaniem? Schizofrenia do drzwi puka.....
Widzisz jaki ten swiat skomplikowany? Np. kiedy bandyci i zboczency spędzają
niewinnych ludzi do stodoły aby ich żywcem spalić - tedy to się nazywa zbrodnią
i masakrą. Kiedy zbrojni bandyci zaminowuja własne osiedle i gina w wyniku
zbrojnej konfrontacji z wojskiem, zabijając przy okazji własnych ziomków, tedy
to masakra nie jest - proste, nieprawdaż? Oczywiscie sa i tacy co stawiaja
morderców dzieci i kobiet, gwałcicieli i rabusiów na tym samym poziomie co
zdyscyplinowanych zołnierzy, ale zazwyczaj znajdziesz ich wsród tychże samych
morderców, gwałcicieli i rabusiów....są wyjatki, oczywiscie - np. poplecznicy
tychże morderców.

[Gość: Ed]

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> <a href="http://www.washtimes.com/world/20020501-5587072.htm"target="_blank">ww
> w.washtimes.com/world/20020501-5587072.htm</a>

Przecież to było jasne od samego początku. Przyznał to przecież Human Rights
Watch. Ale przyznaję propaganda arabska jest na wysokim poziomie. Wiekszość
opinii swiatowej "łyknęła" ich kłamstwa. Czołowki gazet na całym świecie
krzyczały o masakrze w Jeninie. Opinia Izraela mocno ucierpiała. A że teraz
Arabowie prostują te kłamstwa - kto się o tym dowie. Teraz są inne newsy na topie.

Co do niewpuszczenia komisji ONZ - sztandarowego "argumentu" na rzecz rzekomej
masakry - to nic dziwnego, że Izrael komisji w proponowanym składzie nie wpuścił,
skoro na jej czele stał człowiek, który nie ukrywał niechęci do Izraela.

[Gość: Jojo]

Yidele idz sie utop w Morzu Martwym

I tak w tę "masakrę" wierzyli jedynie arabofile

[zwyczajny]

i antysemici.