HOW MANY of u REALLY don't know POLISH? Post Here!

[hajto]

Just wondering cause I have a feeling if people want to talk in English they
go to yahoo board or something. The last place I could imagine is Gazeta.pl!
So y do u post here? Wanna improve your language? Go to the REAL ENGLISH
FORUM when u can read REAL ENGLISH.

Hey, I just spoted the path... Gazeta.pl > Forum > Education
So it's supposed to be helpfull in learning language! It's as helpfull as
going to an English summer school in Poland instead England.






THIS IS S T U P I D

[Gość: ABeCe]

showing off, watching banners, new ppl = possible new clicks per visit. that
is why.

[peter09]

hajto napisał:

> Just wondering cause I have a feeling if people want to talk in English they
> go to yahoo board or something. The last place I could imagine is Gazeta.pl!
> So y do u post here? Wanna improve your language? Go to the REAL ENGLISH
> FORUM when u can read REAL ENGLISH.
>
> Hey, I just spoted the path... Gazeta.pl > Forum > Education
> So it's supposed to be helpfull in learning language! It's as helpfull as
> going to an English summer school in Poland instead England.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> THIS IS S T U P I D


And what makes you so special to decide if this is stupid or not. If someone
wants to setup a forum for english only, then he/she can do. And more to the
point, if its so stupid then why have you read it and get your grammer sorted
out before writing your comments about the english forum....

[Gość: mamosz]

People attending this forum often use excellent,correct, sophisticated
English so those who don`t have rare opportunity to learn a lot and what`s more
you are not ashamed to ASK what`s not so easy with native speakers on Yohoo
forum ,who often use a kind of slang which is not quite clear to everybody and
which definitely is NOT the language recommended to use in most
conversations.So, hajto, instead of showing off learn

[hajto]

Gość portalu: mamosz napisaý(a):

> People attending this forum often use excellent,correct, sophisticated
> English so those who don`t have rare opportunity to learn a lot

And some of them use awful English but if u'r not that good u never know if
there was mistake in the sentence u read. More, u might think its perfect and
then make the same mistake again, cause, what, u heared it on the ENGLISH
FORUM, dont ya? Yeah, it's good to write in English but the most important
thing is to READ loads of texts written in correct English. This includes
English newspapers, www and message boards

>
> you are not ashamed to ASK what`s not so easy with native speakers on Yohoo
> forum ,who often use a kind of slang which is not quite clear to everybody

And thats y it's more useful - u learn REAL language and believe me it's VERY
helpful in improving skills. And I dont think anyone should be ashamed of his
English - there r lots of ppl who dont speak it well from all over the world
and no one complains. Think - what is better - talking with your Polish pal or
with native speaker?

> which definitely is NOT the language recommended to use in most
> conversations.

What conversations?? The biggest problem of Polish students is the only
language they konw is a English school books language which has nothin to do
with the real one. And when they talk with other ppl they suddenly realise they
dont understand a thing. And forums like this wont help changing it.

Because, I repeat, U HAVE TO TALK WITH PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD AND DONT
CLOSE YOURSELF IN THE QUASI ENGLISH FORUM JUST BECAUSE YOU AR TO ASHAMED TO TRY
TO CHAT WITH PPL FROM OTHER COUNTRIES!

[Gość: Pio Mio]

You are right hajto, people here use awful English. It is neither colloquial nor scholastic. It is simply Vistula English,
a kind, which can be understood only by another Pole. It reminds me a story of one of my American friends who said
that he loves speaking French to other Americans but he would be truly distressed if he has to speak to French.

[Gość: erwas]

Gość portalu: Pio Mio napisał(a):

> You are right hajto, people here use awful English. It is neither colloquial
>nor scholastic. It is simply Vistula English, a kind, which can be understood
>only by another Pole.

welcome.

this forum should provide you with an opportunity to express your contempt for
Poland and Polish people in your immaculate English (easy with them thar'
commas though).

>It reminds me a story of one of my American friends who said
> that he loves speaking French to other Americans but he would be truly
>distressed if he has to speak to French.

hmm...how do you make THAT into an English sentence?
I'll take Vistula English over Pigeon English any day.

erwas

[Gość: Pio Mio]

I don't know how, I am not a linguist, but I know it is correct and it so because everybody does that. Unlike in Poland,
here there are no "language shows" where a smartass or something tells people how to speak and why is so. There
is still a visible distinction between different styles. Mixing them up is good for fun, being unaware of it is a poor school
legacy. In my work everyday I have to struggle with documents written by foreigners and there is no nonsense I
haven't seen. I admit thought that French or Spanish speakers can be even less comprehensible than Polish, a true
fun is with Asian natives.

[Gość: erwas]

the point is that you are so scathing about other people's English while yours
is also flawed. I am not a linguist either. English is not my first language
and I do not feel that I am in a position to chastise people who are in a
similar situation to my own.
this forum is an opportunity for non-native speakers to plunge into English,
however imperfect their use of it may be. it is generally accepted online
etiquette to not criticize other people's language skills but to deal with the
content of their message. this forum is somewhat different in that it focuses
mainly on English as a language. still, corrections and criticisms should
happen by invitation only.
I think hajto is way off base questioning the very existence of this forum just
because many posters here write in English badly. It gives these folks a chance
to hone their skills in lively discussion and be up against more practiced
users of English.
like myself.
erwas

[Gość: Pio Mio]

You are exactly wrong. If this forum is about laguage training, a positive feedback is a benefit one righly expect to get
here. I do not critisize people but their language skills. In my humble opinion every education is based on interaction.
Nobody is perfect, be careful however before you look for flaws in my writting. It has passed scrutiny of respected
autorities and all in all I have got more education in English than in Polish. You may only look more pious than Pope.

[Gość: seethru]

> You are exactly wrong. If this forum is about laguage training, a positive
feed
LANGUAGE (sp) ?
> back is a benefit one righly expect to get
RIGHLY (sp) ?
EXPECTS (gr) ?
> here. I do not critisize people but their language skills. In my humble
opinio
> n every education is based on interaction.
CRITSIZE (sp) ?
"BUT" AND "EVERY" SHOULD BE PRECEDED BY A COMMA
"EVERY EDUCATION" SOUNDS AWKWARD
> Nobody is perfect, be careful however before you look for flaws in my
writting.
WRITTING (sp) ?
> It has passed scrutiny of respected
> autorities and all in all I have got more education in English than in
Polish.
AUTORITIES (sp) ?
> You may only look more pious than Pope.

Regardless of your grotesque warning, I was not careful before or while looking
for "flaws in your WRITTING". Nonetheless, I managed to find quite a few
mistakes in that simple text. I think you should immediatelly call
those "respected AUTORITIES" to double-check their credentials.
It's also scary that you claim to have had more education in English than in
Polish. What is your Polish like ???
To sum up, you sound like a typical undereducated white trash immigrant in the
US. And your ego is bloated like a woman during her PMS.

[Gość: Pio Mio]

You do not deserve an answer. "Arguing with fools only legitimize them" (Kisiel).

[Gość: erwas]

Gość portalu: Pio Mio napisał(a):

> You do not deserve an answer. "Arguing with fools only legitimize them"
(Kisiel

you're right.
still, living by the sword, as you do, provokes this kind of response.
erwas.

[Gość: Pio Mio]

Not really, the following quotation is for you all:

Well, actually everyone knows what's going on. The art of speaking and writing precisely and with attention to
grammatical form is more and more a lost one. Just listen to National Public Radio for 15 minutes or read a section of
The New York Times and you will be able to start your own collection of howlers, from the (now ubiquitous)
confusion of "disinterested" and "uninterested" (which sometimes takes the form of a parallel confusion of "disinvite"
and "uninvite," the latter not an English verb form); to the disastrous and often comical substitution of "enervate" for
"energize"; to the attribution of reticence to persons who are merely reluctant; to participles with no subjects or too
many; to errors of pomposity ("between you and I," dubbed by a former colleague the "Cornell nominative"); to
pronouns without referents or as many referents as there are nouns in the previous five sentences; to singular
subjects with plural verbs (and the reverse); to dependent clauses attached to nothing; to mismatched tenses
attached to the same action; to logical redundancies like, "The reason is because ..." ( I'm afraid I've been guilty of that
one myself); not to mention inelegant repetitions and errors of diction made by persons who seem to be writing a
language they first encountered yesterday.

PIDGIN English!

[Gość: agulha]

The English you mentioned has nothing to do with pigeons :-)).
See:
Pidgin-english, język mieszany, żargonowy, składający się głównie ze słownictwa
angielskiego i chińskiego, o uproszczonej, niepoprawnej składni i morfologii,
używany szczególnie w kontaktach handlowych w Azji Wschodniej i Oceanii.

[Gość: erwas]

Gość portalu: agulha napisał(a):

> The English you mentioned has nothing to do with pigeons :-)).
> See:
> Pidgin-english, język mieszany, żargonowy, składający się głównie ze
słownictwa
>
> angielskiego i chińskiego, o uproszczonej, niepoprawnej składni i morfologii,
> używany szczególnie w kontaktach handlowych w Azji Wschodniej i Oceanii.

yeah, OK.
I guess pigeons missed out on that language gene.
as for Pidgin: don't you think that the dismisal of this hybrid-speak is a bit
of cultural a racial prejudice. it's a language being born. it has a purpose
and has developed its own rules and structures. to call it "niepoprawny", as
that dictionary does, is like saying that all babies are stupid since they
can't talk, walk, chew gum and write posts like we do.
erwas.

[Gość: mona]

Definately you are not the sort of person anyone should learn English from, let
alone imitate it.

[carmella]

i do not think so. You , guys, here are soooo correct
that I am envy and I am afraid to write something that I
could make a mistake. I know , if you learn sometimes you
make mistakes, but I hate mistakes made by myself.
I love chatting on yahoo etc. I do not care if I am
always correct, I just like chatting

[Gość: maurycy]

This forum revolves around matters that are specific to Poland and you cannot
discuss such topics on a general English forum as people are either ignorant of
such matterrs or simply are not interested.

Regards,

Maurycy

[Gość: Understandu]

I think Gazeta is on a good way to be parochial; last time, when I typed-in
www.gazeta.com I couldn't go to the web site. Well, if their goal is to stay
just in Poland - that's the way to go! :|

[Gość: A]

Gość portalu: Understandu napisał(a):

> I think Gazeta is on a good way to be parochial; last time, when I typed-in
> www.gazeta.com I couldn't go to the web site. Well, if their goal is to stay
> just in Poland - that's the way to go! :|

Believe me my friend - many Poles really know their ways around the WWW in many
languages. Some are beginners and perhaps should be helped to find their ways
quickly, rather than be ridiculed or called stupid names.

Best of luck.
A

[hajto]

Maurycy, there are lots of very popular boards of Polish community when u can
talk in English.

[gale]

Why don't you just spare an hour or two and learn a little English BEFORE you
post your next message.

[hajto]

Why dont u stick to your English is Fun! INSTEAD of posting some pointless
posts? There r still about 6000 irregular verbs u dont know yet. Dont waste
your time!

[Gość: ddt]

I actually found it extremely interesting to browse through this particular
part of the forum because it was the best evidence to me that the majority of
people who came here had one goal in mind - to show off. Finding just one
mispelled word would cause a streak of snappy responses to prove one's
superiority over others. Chill out. Just go to sites where Americans post and
you'll see real mistakes that would make even a beginning student laugh.

Anyway, I happen to treat both Polish and English as my native languages, as I
come from a mixed family and lived in Poland and the US long years. Now, I work
as an ESL teacher for immigrant kids in one of the Southern American states.
For those who really want to learn the language, based on my own teaching
experience, my advice is: don't limit yourselves to talking to Poles only
(although, it's always better than doing nothing). The reason is because every
language has certain structures (including grammar, word order, style, etc)
that we tend to propagate and repeat while learning a new language. Having
worked with people of various origin, I started recognizing characteristic
foreign-language patterns, which individuals tend to instill into English. For
example, the improper use of articles, overuse of "cordial" vocabulary and
style (such as capitalizing the word "you" in letters when addressing a
recepient of a letter), and confusing simple vs. progressive tenses are very
typical problems of Poles. Being exposed to native speakers and even studying
with people of different nationalities has a very beneficial influence on
reducing these errors.

[Gość: Sir Mixalot]

This man talks sense.

[Gość: alternativa]

Pewnie zaraz mnie stąd wywalą, bo to nie jes inglisz, ale nawet mi sie nie
chce wysilać. Ludzie litości jak sie tu można nauczyć angielskiego - uczył
MArcin Marcina!!! To kompletne dno. Jak komus zal forsy na kurs lub korki to
na forum uczyc sie od takich samych yntelygentow. nawet nie czytam tych
waszych wypocin po angielsku bo w wiekszosci to oznacza uwstecznianie

[Gość: mishy]

If you want some good & bad, but regrettably, absolutely no "Vistula
English" ( that we may have to work on, with your help appreciated ;-) and
welcome ) pop down,

www.polskishop.comhttp://www.polskishop.com/Emc.htm
www.polskishop.com/daria.html
and for news with a difference
www.polskishop.com/WELCOME 27_09_02.html

Also for all of you aspiring "Polo-Anglo" writers, I'll gladly publish some of
your quirky articles and insights on Polish customs and culture!
Especially Mr./Ms.(?) erwas and Sir Mixalot...well done!
Please visit the site.

Vistula English.....

[Gość: mishy]

... a new language in making?
Now, I like that!
Why not?
That is also culture, remember all of modern European languages stem
out of Latin and Greek plus other influences...
Now if you can have a West Indian speak bad English and be "cool" with
it, why can't a "Pollack" make his business out of that?
Anything for a lough!

www.polskishop.com/WELCOME%2027_09_02.html