Do Yidele: dlaczego "neutronowka"-wytlumaczenie

[Gość: Paul]

I've seen horrors...horrors that you've seen. But you have no right to call me
a murderer. You have a right to kill me. You have a right to do that...But you
have no right to judge me. It's impossible for words to describe what is
necessary to those who do not know what horror means.
Horror. Horror has a face...And you must make a friend of horror. Horror and
moral terror are your friends. If they are not then they are enemies to be
feared. They are truly enemies.
I remember when I was with Special Forces...Seems a thousand centuries ago...We
went into a camp to inoculate the children. We left the camp after we had
inoculated the children for Polio, and this old man came running after us and
he was crying. He couldn't see. We went back there and they had come and hacked
off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile...A pile of little arms.
And I remember...I...I...I cried...I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to
tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember
it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget.
And then I realized...like I was shot...Like I was shot with a diamond...a
diamond bullet right through my forehead...And I thought: My God...the genius
of that. The genius. The will to do that. Perfect, genuine, complete,
crystalline, pure.
And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they could stand that
these were not monsters...These were men...trained cadres...these men who
fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled
with love...but they had the strength...the strength...to do that. If I had ten
divisions of those men our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have
to have men who are moral...and at the same time who are able to utilize their
primordial instincts to kill without feeling...without passion...without
judgement...without judgement. Because it's judgement that defeats us.

Kurtz! I thought I knew Ye!

[Gość: Yidele]

[Gość: Paul]

So, what did they tell you? I bet they told you that I'd gone totally insane and
that my methods are unsound..... I expected someone like you. What did you
expect? Are you an assassin? You are no longer a soldier. That means that you
are neither. You're an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks to collect a bill.
My God, Yidele are you the only guy with brains around here? Do you think I
should tell them "the truth"? Should I go on with my story, will they
understand? Because, you know that there is nothing that I detest more than the
stench of lies. But we have to be merciful for those who lie. Those ignorant
nabobs. How I hate them.... Tym samym masz odpowiedz dlaczego nazywam cie
czarodziejem ;-). Uszanowanie.

[Gość: Yidele]

Out here on this forum with these natives it must be a temptation to be God.
Cause there's a conflict in every human heart between the rational, the
irrational, between good and evil. And good does not always triumph.

[Gość: Paul]

Gość portalu: Yidele napisał(a):

> Out here on this forum with these natives it must be a temptation to be God.
> Cause there's a conflict in every human heart between the rational, the
> irrational, between good and evil. And good does not always triumph.
But we must talk to them. We must indoctrinate them. Pig after pig, cow after
cow, willage afrer willage, forum after forum. And they call me an "intelligent
from New Jersey". What do you call it when idiots accuse the "intelligent".
And I pray to God to have mercy upon us
And I pray that I may forget
These matters that with "them" I too much discuss
Too much explain
Because I do not hope to turn again
Let these words answer
For what is done, not to be done again
May the judgement not be too heavy upon us
Pray for us siners now and at the hour of our death.

[Gość: Yidele]

No, they did not bury me, though there is a period of time which I remember
mistily, with a shuddering wonder, like a passage through some inconceivable
world that had no hope in it and no desire. I found myself back in the
sepulchral city resenting the sight of people hurrying through the streets to
filch a little money from each other, to devour their infamous cookery, to gulp
their unwholesome beer, to dream their insignificant and silly dreams. They
trespassed upon my thoughts. They were intruders whose knowledge of life was to
me an irritating pretense, because I felt so sure they could not possibly know
the things I knew. Their bearing, which was simply the bearing of commonplace
individuals going about their business in the assurance of perfect safety, was
offensive to me like the outrageous flauntings of folly in the face of a danger
it is unable to comprehend. I had no particular desire to enlighten them, but I
had some difficulty in restraining myself from laughing in their faces so full
of stupid importance.

[Gość: Paul]

Soul and body, body and soul--how mysterious they are! There is animalism in
the soul, and the body had its moments of spirituality. The senses could
refine, and the intellect could degrade. Who could say where the fleshly
impulse ceased, or the psychical impulse began? How shallow are the arbitrary
definitions of ordinary psychologists! And yet how difficult to decide between
the claims of the various schools! Was the soul a shadow seated in the house of
sin? Or is the body really in the soul, as Giordano Bruno thought? The
separation of spirit from matter was a mystery, and the union of spirit with
matter was a mystery also. I began to wonder whether we could ever make
psychology so absolute a science that each little spring of life would be
revealed to us. As it was, we always misunderstood ourselves and rarely
understood others. EXPERIENCE IS OF NO ETHICAL VALUE. It is merely the name men
gave to their mistakes. Moralists had, as a rule, regarded it as a mode of
warning, had claimed for it a certain ethical efficacy in the formation of
character, had praised it as something that taught us what to follow and showed
us what to avoid. But there is no motive power in experience. It is as little
of an active cause as conscience itself. All that it really demonstrates is
that our future would be the same as our past, and that the sin we had done
once, and with loathing, we would do many times, and with joy. Yes, that is
one of the great secrets of life. Nowadays most people die of a sort of
creeping common sense, and discover when it is too late that the only things
one never regrets are one's mistakes.

a wild stroke of luck - here's my swift response

[Gość: Yidele]

It was the passions about whose origin we deceived ourselves that tyrannized
most strongly over us. Our weakest motives were those of whose nature we were
conscious. It often happened that when we thought we were experimenting on
others we were really experimenting on ourselves.
BUT
WHOEVER examines, with due circumspection, into the annual records
of time, will find it remarked that War is the child of Pride, and
Pride the daughter of Riches:- the former of which assertions may
be soon granted, but one cannot so easily subscribe to the latter;
for Pride is nearly related to Beggary and Want, either by father
or mother, and sometimes by both: and, to speak naturally, it very
seldom happens among men to fall out when all have enough;
invasions usually travelling from north to south, that is to say,
from poverty to plenty. The most ancient and natural grounds of
quarrels are lust and avarice; which, though we may allow to be
brethren, or collateral branches of pride, are certainly the issues
of want. For, to speak in the phrase of writers upon politics, we
may observe in the republic of dogs, which in its original seems to
be an institution of the many, that the whole state is ever in the
profoundest peace after a full meal; and that civil broils arise
among them when it happens for one great bone to be seized on by
some leading dog, who either divides it among the few, and then it
falls to an oligarchy, or keeps it to himself, and then it runs up
to a tyranny.

[Gość: Kugiel]

Oscar Wilde would be proud.

My response - is it swift enough ;-)?

[Gość: Paul]

Gość portalu: Kugiel napisał(a):

> Oscar Wilde would be proud.
I’m sure that he would and he is ;-). But let’s keep our minds open. Here is a
puzzle: what I say here doesn’t express my opinion. It’s a puzzle that never
was, nor it will ever be. It’s a fake: simply because I have no opinion. All I
have is more than less, fixed stereotype of my actions. Opinions characterize an
obsolete type of human species, the kind of species destined to be extinct. “The
advanced human”, instead of opinions uses stereotypes of behavior, is free of
binding believes and so, is able to utilize all opinions appropriate to any given
situation. Because of overcomplicated, overwhelming mix of believes and
stereotypes of actions, the obsolete type often misjudges and fails to understand
the advanced type. If someone would have said what I just have said, I would
argue quiet opposite at once. If one wants to know the truth, he must negate
himself. Never the less, what I say here is not based upon my opinion, but only
on widely understood freedom of expression, because the truth is not what I’m
looking for either.
Opinions are the trademark of intellectually inferior individual. They only
compensate for mental impotence that translates itself into being incompetent and
slow. They are instructions a priori, how to act in a given situation, without
knowing its true meaning. A man full of believes is boring, not flexible and
usually stupid. However, most of the time, believes have very limited impact on
ones behavior, anyway. They only make ambitions look more appealing, provide
good excuse for dirty conscience and mask stupidity. On the other hand, man
without believes acts always natural, although choices he makes are not the only
ones possible. There’s nothing in him, that one may call “true”, because “the
truth” is only one of many historical possibilities, which in our
minds/imaginations we call “absolute truth”.

[Gość: Yidele]

Maybe its swift, but Swift its not - and You Have to
respond with at least a piece of the same text, or at
least the same author. I don't know what the above
quote was from :(

[Gość: Paul]

Gość portalu: Yidele napisał(a):

> Maybe its swift, but Swift its not - and You Have to
> respond with at least a piece of the same text, or at
> least the same author. I don't know what the above
> quote was from :(
Sorry, didn't know about "the rules". What it was, is my "home made", or
rather "work made" ;-) translation from "Homo Sovieticus" by Zvinoviev.
Funny, I've translated polish text into english to put it on the polish forum....
oh well, I'm Polish ;-))))))) I'll try to stick to "the rules" next time.
My best,
Paul

[yidele]

To be absolutely honest, I'm not sure if there are any
- I just assumed.... anyway I should have known that
quote. Zinoviev.
Anyway,
All branches of modem science, of true and
disinterested science, concur in proclaiming this grand
truth, fundamental and
decisive: The social world, properly speaking, the
human world-in short,
humanity-is nothing other than
the last and supreme development-at least on our planet
and as
far as we know-the highest
manifestation of animality. But as every development
necessarily
implies a negation, that of
its base or point of departure, humanity is at the same
time and
essentially the deliberate and
gradual negation of the animal element in man; and it
is precisely this
negation, as rational as it is
natural, and rational only because natural-at once
historical and
logical, as inevitable as the
development and realization of all the natural laws in
the world-that
constitutes and creates the
ideal, the world of intellectual and moral convictions,
ideas.

[Gość: native]

Gość portalu: Yidele napisał(a):

> Out here on this forum with these natives it must be a temptation to be God.
> Cause there's a conflict in every human heart between the rational, the
> irrational, between good and evil. And good does not always triumph.

Gość portalu: Paul napisał(a):

> But we must talk to them. We must indoctrinate them. Pig after pig, cow after
> cow, willage afrer willage, forum after forum.

chyba "village after village"? - the Gods must be crazy.
Trochę przesadzacie Panowie but if that turns you on, so be it.

[Gość: Paul]

Gość portalu: native napisał(a):

>
> Gość portalu: Yidele napisał(a):
>
> > Out here on this forum with these natives it must be a temptation to be Go
> d.
> > Cause there's a conflict in every human heart between the rational, the
> > irrational, between good and evil. And good does not always triumph.
>
> Gość portalu: Paul napisał(a):
>
> > But we must talk to them. We must indoctrinate them. Pig after pig, cow
> after
> > cow, willage afrer willage, forum after forum.
>
> chyba "village after village"? - the Gods must be crazy.
> Trochę przesadzacie Panowie but if that turns you on, so be it.
You got it! And yes, the Gods are crazy. Don't we have to follow the word/will
of God ;->?
I watched a snail crawl along the edge of a straight razor. That's my
dream. That's my nightmare. Crawling, slithering, along the edge of a
straight razor, and surviving.

[Gość: J.Bond]

I don't get it..what's your point ?

Dla znajomości T.J.K.Korzeniowskiego

[Gość: Yidele]

P.S
Above included text is not a joke.
I am including a joke so that You may know the difference:

"Why should I care about posterity? What's posterity ever done for me?"
---G.Marx

[Gość: Wlodek]

Was ist hier eigentlich los???

Arbeit macht frei oder islam macht frei???

Pytania dla Paul, a tremendous war hero

[quickly]

Kicius piszesz, ze:
"...I remember when I was with Special Forces..."
What Special Forces??? Naprawde jestem bardzo ciekaw. (USA, UK, Canada,
France, Australia???)
Mam troche doswiadczenia w tych sprawach, to mozemy sobie podyskutowac.
Gdzie to sie wydarzylo??? Byc moze:
Afryka (Namibia 1989, Ruanda 1992-94, Somalia 1994)
Azja (Kambodza 1995, Afganistan 1994, East Timor 1999, Irian Jaya 1990-1991).
Wiekszosc miejsc poznalem bardzo dokladnie.
Szczerze mowiac, Paul, wyglada mi to raczej na pierdy frajera po marichuanie!

[Gość: Mosiek]

nie przejmuj sie - on tego nawet sam nie wymyslil. ot tekst z "Apocalipse now"
Copolli... (swoja droga fajny filmik)

[Gość: detektyw]

Czy organizowales arabow przed WTC? musisz miec wlasnie takie zasady moralne.

[Gość: Mosiek]

bo co? powiedzilaem z jakiego to filmu i odrazu terrorysta ze mnie? co z ciebie
za detektyw?

[Gość: Paul]

quickly napisał(a):

> Kicius piszesz, ze:
> "...I remember when I was with Special Forces..."
> What Special Forces??? Naprawde jestem bardzo ciekaw. (USA, UK, Canada,
> France, Australia???)
> Mam troche doswiadczenia w tych sprawach, to mozemy sobie podyskutowac.
> Gdzie to sie wydarzylo??? Byc moze:
> Afryka (Namibia 1989, Ruanda 1992-94, Somalia 1994)
> Azja (Kambodza 1995, Afganistan 1994, East Timor 1999, Irian Jaya 1990-1991).
> Wiekszosc miejsc poznalem bardzo dokladnie.
> Szczerze mowiac, Paul, wyglada mi to raczej na pierdy frajera po marichuanie!
Cieplo, cieplo.... ;-). As it goes for my experiences, I'm not presently
disposed to discuss these or any other operations. And so I'm unaware of any
activity or operation - nor would I be disposed to discuss such operations if
they did exist. Uszanowanie.

[Gość: Mosiek]

Czyli inaczej piszac - pierdy frajera, ktory naogladal sie za duzo filmów? "i
am Your worst nightamre" i "co ty wiesz o zabijaniu?"

Do moskow, detektywow i innych debili.

[Gość: Paul]

Moj post byl dla Yidele. Napisalem wyraznie. W nawiazaniu do naszych
poprzednich dyskusji ma durzo sensu. Piszac o roznych sprawach lubimy cytowac
rozne rzeczy i nawiazywac do spraw o ktorych wiekrzosc na tej liscie nie ma
zielonego pojecia, a wasze posty, drodzy koledzy idioci, same o tym mowia.
Wiecej tolerancji, mniej zacietrzewienia i zbednego puszenia sie zyczy
wam .............Lord Henryk ;-).

[Gość: detektyw]

village voice will go after you to find where you borrow those ideas. Remember
Jerzy Kosinski's case? Otherwise it's pompous, immoral and stupid.

[Gość: Mosiek]

Nie martw sie stary! tu sie kazdy wtraca do wszystkiego! ja tylko chcialem
jednemu gosciowi wytlumaczyc ze to z filmu. a potem troche z wrodzonej
zlosliwosci, troche tak jakos zeby skomentowac twoja odpowiedz ze jest blisko,
po chamsku ci odpowiedzialem... sorry za to! idiota nie jestem - przynajmniej
tak mowia...
potem musialem odpiwoedziec jakiemus debilowi, ktory zaczal sie wypowiadac o
mojej moralnosci. bo dla niego zapewne jest strasznym grzechem keidy ktos
podaje zrodlo cytatu...
za wtracenie sie do prywatnej rozmowy przepraszam. wiem jakie to wkurzajace bo
mi tez sie raz taki jeden wtracil...
Pozdrawiam i pozostaje z naleznym szacunkiem.

[Gość: Paul]

Gość portalu: Mosiek napisał(a):

> Nie martw sie stary! tu sie kazdy wtraca do wszystkiego! ja tylko chcialem
> jednemu gosciowi wytlumaczyc ze to z filmu. a potem troche z wrodzonej
> zlosliwosci, troche tak jakos zeby skomentowac twoja odpowiedz ze jest blisko,
> po chamsku ci odpowiedzialem... sorry za to! idiota nie jestem - przynajmniej
> tak mowia...
> potem musialem odpiwoedziec jakiemus debilowi, ktory zaczal sie wypowiadac o
> mojej moralnosci. bo dla niego zapewne jest strasznym grzechem keidy ktos
> podaje zrodlo cytatu...
> za wtracenie sie do prywatnej rozmowy przepraszam. wiem jakie to wkurzajace bo
> mi tez sie raz taki jeden wtracil...
> Pozdrawiam i pozostaje z naleznym szacunkiem.
Przepraszam. Nie chcialem sie puszyc ani nikogo udawac. Nie znosze tej polskiej
nieukierunkowanej nienawisci, zazdrosci, zawisci i wscieklosci, dla wszystkiego,
co "jakies podejrzane. To podejscie parobka do zyrafy w zoo. Pozdrawiam.

[Gość: glorius]

Uszanowanie kolegom

Ja mam takie małe pytanie - dlaczego nie piszecie po polsku? Nie chodzi o to, ze
jest to polskie forum i TRZEBA pisać tu po polsku - jak macie wewnętrzną potzrbę
piszcie też po fińsku. Wydaje mi się, że paru osobom lżej byłoby czytać w
ojczystym języku niż po angielsku (między innymi mi..... i co z tego, ze nie
mówię płynnie po angielsku - czy każdy musi znać akurat ten język obcy?). No
chyba, że nie chcecie aby inni , tacy jak ja czytali waszych postów. Jak to
bardzo przepraszam, że wybiegłem przed orkiestrę z tym postem.

Ja was bardzo lubię i szanuje ale napiszcie czasami coś po polsku drodzy
koledzy:-))))))))
Pozdrawiam

[Gość: Yidele]

Śiur tink hałm boj

[Gość: Paul]

Gość portalu: Yidele napisał(a):

> Śiur tink hałm boj
He, he.....Witam Czarodzieju!!!

[Gość: Clavin]

SURE!
I stick tig¤ŘĚřsŽ5,�ÔŇ"

1. I never reveal everything I know
2.