Vertical Petrusa i nie tylko ;-)

[marek_101]

Trochę dużo na tym forum tematów o winach do 10zł czy najlepszych z
supermarketu wiec dla odmiany notki degustacyjne czegoś trochę
lepszego. Poniżej notki a degustacji różnych roczników Chateau
Petrus i nie tylko pochodzą z imprezy jaka odbyłą sięw tym miesiącu
w jednej z restauracji w Kopenhadze, autorem wszystkich notel jest
Pan Bjorke Kierkegaard, umieścił je na publicznym forum Roberta
Parkera. Myślęże nie będzie miał nic przeciwko jeśli miłośnicy wina
w Polsce przeczytają również te notki.

1959, Chateau Petrus, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.
Brown color, almost like coca cola. Very dark and brown on the nose,
very sweet, scents of cream, toffee, brown sugar, cookies,
chocolate, Caribbean rum, marzipan and vanilla. Medium bodied with a
very round, soft and sweet texture. Quite good and very pleasant
drinking. Still it has to be said, that this ’59 was no way near the
majestic wines of Chateau Mouton-Rothschild 1959 or Chateau Haut
Brion 1959 we had at Lars birthday party. The aftertaste is very
sweet and soft.
95 points

1964, Chateau Petrus, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.
Dark garnet color with an amber rim. The lovely nose offers up notes
of ripe berry fruit, red cherry, strawberry, chocolate and burned
oak. There’s lots of minerals here as well, clay, iron and dust. As
the wine sits in the glass it develops with some pretty rough
pharmaceutical notes of medicine cabinet, iodine pills and bandages.
These notes I have often found on the left bank wines like Montrose
or Leoville Las Cases – but never in a right bank wine. The wine is
and tightly structured and very concentrated, and seems to have a
long life ahead of it. The wine is very well made - but not the
ringer I thought it would be. It lacks charm and smoothness compared
to the1959, but possesses greater power and depth.
96 point.

Flight 2:

1952, Chateau Petrus, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.
Ruby, garnet color with significant amber at the edge. The nose is
very mature and forward with lots of red cherry fruit, chocolate,
after eight, minerals and toffee. A disturbing note of cabbage. It
takes on the same notes of pharmaceutical items, pills and iodine as
the 196, but on a lesser scale. The wine is medium to full-bodied
with a good fruity character, low acidity and nice mouth feel. The
aftertaste though is somewhat dry and tannic.
94 points.

1950, Chateau Petrus, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.
Dark purple color with a slight amber rim. This wine is extremely
elegant and sophisticated with deep notes of blackcurrant, plums,
strawberry, blueberry jam, top soil, herbs and chocolate. Its ultra
perfumed and feminine – very gentle and soft – like the first kiss
from a new girlfriend on a hot summer night. It’s just lovely! The
wine has large and complex body and a nice structure. No doubt that
it’s a big Petrus! The nose is very close to perfection, yet it
lacks some power and strength to get a three digit score. Very
pleasant drinking.
96 points.

Flight 3:

1955, Chateau Petrus, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.
Dark ruby/garnet color with a brown hue. The nose offers up
wonderful aromas of jammy fruit, plums, raspberry, old leather,
coffee, brown sugar, scorched earth, mushrooms and vanilla. Very
classic style! The taste is medium to full-bodied with low acidity
and a complex jammy fruit driven taste. The aftertaste is very
elegant and has nice tickling dryness in the end.
97 points.

1947, Chateau Petrus, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.
Oh my….. The 1947 Chateau Petrus from a top level bottle. How I’ve
longed to taste this legend – and its just all I’ve ever dreamed it
would be! The color is dark purple with a slight amber edge. The
nose literally explodes from the glass with heavy notes of thick
jammy fruit, strawberry, blackberry, sweet raspberry, forest floor,
crème brûlée, toffee, dark Valhrona chocolate, wet stones and oak.
The wine is multilayered and ultra perfumed - with new fragrances
and aromas appearing with each swing of the glass. It absolutely
gorgeous! Very dense and port-like with a lush and opulent full-
bodied taste. Very high in alcohol, strength and power - yet with a
challenging sweetness, finesse and purity that almost made me cry.
It’s silk in liquid form! One of the most pure wines I have ever
come across! The aftertaste is incredible long, delicious and
mouthwatering. This majestic wine is the very definition of elegance
and finesse!
100 point

Flight 4: (a dream flight)

1970, Chateau Petrus, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.
Dark garnet color with a beautiful amber rim. Dense and lush nose
with loads of dark cherries, Christmas cake, butter, brown sugar,
coffee beans, tobacco and sweet English licorice. There are lots of
minerals as well. Multi layered and extremely concentrated. The
taste is full bodied and sweet with immense power and purity. Very
elegant – and it has a delicate mineral character. The aftertaste is
soft and silky with a slight tickling spiciness. Close to
perfection.
98 points.

1971, Chateau Petrus, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.
Dark and dense purple color with slight amber edge. I have never
come across a wine that has such a perfumed floral note of violets.
It’s simply extraordinary and completely seductive. Multilayered –
like a giant kaleidoscope. Wonderful notes of dark cherry fruit,
flowers in the summertime on a beautiful meadow, green leaves,
licorice, chocolate, top soil, herbs, tomato plants, crushed stones
and cigar box. The wine is full-bodied, thick and lush and is very
fruit driven. Great intensity and a port like sweetness. It has a
lovely silky texture and the taste is opulent, lush and pure. Sexy
round curves…..totally seductive and divine.
99 points.

The wines of this flight were very close, both of them being
virtually perfect – and the difference is just a matter of personal
taste and preference. I feel very lucky to have tasted these two
legendary wines against each other – amazing!

Flight 5:

1998, Chateau Lafleur, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.
Very dark purple color with no signs of age. The style is very
different from Petrus and it was easy to spot it on the blind test -
as it has a clean-cut and very pronounced Cabernet Franc nose. It
has a dusty dry and tannic green nose, young currants, green
peppers, blackberry, mint, eucalyptus, truffles, earth and a spicy
oakiness. The taste is full-bodied, broad and masculine, but a bit
one-sided. It does not posses the same depth, richness and purity of
its stable mate in this flight.
95 points.

1998, Chateau Petrus, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.
Dark purple color with a blueish rim. Oh my….. What a great depth,
concentration and purity! The wine is a delicious offering of sweet
cherry fruit, strawberry jam, underbrush, leather, spices, smoke,
minerals and new oak. Very young and vibrant. It has a lovely fresh
and forward taste, but the potential and power is far greater and
it’s definitely a wine to hide away for a least a decade. Full-
bodied, broad and masculine - very authoritative and elegant style.
Massive and intense, high in alcohol and glycerin, low acidity and
with a soft and velvety texture. The aftertaste is powerful, strong
and long lasting. Wow, this is terrific stuff!
99 points.

[marek_101]

Flight 6:

2000, Chateau Lafleur, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.
Dark purple inky color, no signs of age at all. Very opulent and
heavy on the nose, with a clean and distinctive Cabernet Franc nose.
Lots of kirsch and dark cherry fruit intermixed with green peppers,
tobacco leaves, tree bark, sawdust and dry oak. It has a surprising
zoo-like smell of wild animals, fur and animal cage. The taste is
full-bodied and strong with lots of power and strength. It’s a bit
green and dry – and not as fruity as I thought it would be. The
aftertaste is massive, broad and wide. I think this wine has closed
down for now.
97 points.

2000, Chateau Petrus, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.
Dark, almost completely black color. Very fat and viscous texture –
like motor oil. The nose is tremendous and extremely concentrated.
Loads of ripe currants, raspberries, blueberries and dark filled
chocolates and dairy intermixed with sweet liquor, licorice, iron,
grilled vegetables, crushed stones, minerals and toasty new oak.
It’s extremely port-like, fat, thick and fleshy – with immense
power, sweetness and purity. The taste is full-bodied and strong
with high levels of alcohol, low acidity and in complete balance.
There’s a gorgeous sweetness in the taste, and it’s a totally sexy
and seductive wine. This is a majestic Petrus build for a very long
life! Very authoritative, decadent and stylish. The aftertaste is
just amazing and the purity is unchallenged.
100 point.

2000, Chateau Pavie, St. Emilion, Bordeaux, France.
This is my second encounter with this masterpiece of a wine! This
wine just explodes from the glass with huge port-like concentration
and stunning purity. There’s tons of heavy fruit, crème de cassis,
black currant, blueberries, raspberries, violets, truffles and
cherry liquor. As it builds in the glass it takes on at very
masculine and heavy personality of grilled meat, roasted vegetables,
smoke, new leather and toasty new oak. It has a huge body, very
massive, powerful and strong. A legendary giant! The tannins are
very present but there plenty of fruit to match it. The intensity
and complex aromas in this wine is just out of this world. The
aftertaste is like a sky-scraper and it just builds in the mouth. I
don’t care what a certain female British wine expert says about this
style of wine - I can only quote Mr. Parkers as he said “I told you
so!”
100 point.

It was now time for a 2 hour break and a nice long walk.


Dinner section:

1996, Bruno Paillard, Blanc de Blancs, Champagne, France.

Nice light golden/green color with small and lively bubbles. A very
pure, youthful and clean-cut blanc de blancs nose, green apples,
pears, yeast, chalk and minerals. The taste is medium bodied, very
young and vibrant. Lots of yeast in the taste, high acidity and a
razor-like sharpness. It needs some time to mature. It’s surely nice
champagne; I’m just not too fond of the house style.
91 points.

Flight 7:

1975, Chateau Petrus, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.
Purple/ruby color with a slight browning at the rim. Lovely nose of
mature cherry and kirsch, cassis, raspberry, black currant, leather,
cigar box, mushrooms, flint stone and vanilla. Very round and soft
personality, silky texture, low acidity and perfectly integrated
tannins. I have tasted this wine once before and it’s very
consistent. Gentle soft aftertaste – nice and pleasant.
95 point

1985, Chateau Petrus, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.
Dark garnet color with a beautiful amber edge. The nose is very
silky and nice with a lovely sweetness and floral notes of violets.
Lots of raspberry fruit, plums, white flowers, dried herbs,
vegetables, smoke and tobacco shop. Some chocolate notes as well.
Medium bodied with a firm solid personality, low acidity and a
delicate tasty sweetness. Tasted once before rated 91 points – but
this one performed even better – and it’s a candidate for one of the
best 1985s I have ever had. In wine literature the 1985 is
controversial wine as its ratings are were different indeed, but I
tend to lean more to Mr. Broadbent’s end of the scale rather than
Mr. Parker on this one. The wine is fully mature and the aftertaste
is lovely.
94 point.

1988, Chateau Petrus, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.
Dark garnet color with lots of amber at the edge. The nose is more
youthful and undeveloped than the other wines in this flight, and it
doesn’t possess the same gentleness and sweetness. There’s black
currant, dark raspberry, green peppers, tree bark, mushrooms and
oak. The taste is a bit dry and harsh with tight tannins and green
elements. Quite tannic and dry aftertaste.
92 point

Flight 8:

1982, Chateau Petrus, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.
Beautiful dark garnet color with a brown hue. A totally seductive
and intoxicating nose, dark and mature with a lovely silky
sweetness. The nose is very complex with loads of dark fruit,
blackberry, red currants, grilled meat, herbs, forest floor and
cedar wood. The taste is very rich and dense with great
concentration and purity. Lots of chocolate and sweetness in the
long and elegant aftertaste.
97 point

1982, Chateau Lafleur, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.

Dark purple ruby/garnet color. Highly extracted nose with tons of
dark jammy fruit, blackcurrant, crème de cassis, cherry liqueur,
pudding and dark Valhrona chocolate. Secondary notes of coffee,
tomato plants, green peppers, wild herbs, prunes and truffles.
Hugely bodied with a strong and muscular structure, high in alcohol
and strong tannins. The concentration is extreme and it has a fat,
lush and long lasting aftertaste. Being 24 years old the wine is
performing very well and has just entered is plateau of maturity.
There’s great potential in this bottle and I predict it has long
life ahead of it.
98 point

Flight 9:

1989, Chateau Lafleur, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.

Dark purple color. The nose offers up lots of black currants, crème
de cassis, strawberry, green peppers, wet soil, mint and eucalyptus.
Very meaty aromas as well – grilled meat, wild game and fur coat.
There’s immense currant flavors in the opulent and strong and
muscular taste, a little backward in style and very masculine.
Highly extracted with lots of dark fruit and a firm tannic bite. The
aftertaste is long and spicy.
97 point.

1989, Chateau Petrus, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.

Dark purple color with no sign of age at all. The nose is very fat
and rich with loads of sweet jammy fruit, raspberry, strawberry,
blackberry and chocolate intermixed with notes of grilled meat,
roasted vegetables, wild herbs, smoke, clay, minerals and oak from
cask. The wine is full-bodied and strong with an exotic port-like
sweetness. It has a very youthful and vibrant personality, very
fresh and perfumed. Perfection, decadence and elegance are just
rocketing out of the glass! This is an amazing wine and the
aftertaste is like having a visit from above.
100 point.

[marek_101]

Flight 10:

1990, Chateau Troplong-Mondot, St. Emilion, Bordeaux, France.
The joker in this flight was easily spotted, as I will never ever
forget my first encounter with this great wine at the CTG Bordeaux
1990 tasting last year. Lovely dark inky color. The nose is heavy
and rich with great intensity and power. Notes of black currants,
milk products, crushed blackberries, Fonseca port-wine, roasted
herbs, green house, grilled meat, minerals and burned oak. Notes of
cabbage and stables in the winter time. It’s a fat, heavy and very
lush wine with immense power and concentration. A raw and masculine
bastard – very intense with a tightly-knit structure. Straight and
upright personality with high alcohol levels and strong present
tannins. It’s a wine build to last for decades. It was decanted for
6 hours, but unfortunately it was a bit more closed than last time I
had it.
97 point.

1990, Chateau Lafleur, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.

Dark purple color with a slight lightening at the rim. This wine
offers up a strong alcoholic nose with lots of kirsch, cherries,
orange fruit, truffles, underbrush, green peppers and dry toasty oak
from cask. Lots of licorice as well. The wine is full-bodied and
complex with great concentration and purity. The taste is very fruit
driven and sweet, almost port-like, with lots of dark licorice and
tutti frutti scents. Fat and creamy texture. The wine has a power
packed sweet aftertaste with a nice and firm tannic grip. Great
potential here.
98 point.

1990, Chateau Petrus, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.
Dark and dense purple color with a slight lightening at the edge.
The nose is captivating and extremely complex with tons of delicate
layers. Sweet silky notes of blackberries, dark currant, black
cherries, milk products, chocolate, tobacco factory, caramel and
sweet Cuban cigars. Ultra perfumed! The nose is 100 points – it just
has it all. Full-bodied and creamy young taste, low acidity and very
friendly and charming style. Huge intensity, great depth and power
with potential to get a three digit score within a few years.
Liquefied silk. It has a lovely mineral and flamboyant fruity
aftertaste.
99 point

Flight 11:

1995, Chateau Lafleur, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.
Very dark and purple color with no signs of age whatsoever. Very
dark and tight on the nose – notes of blackberry, blueberry, unripe
strawberries, green peppers, tree bark, saw dust, dry soil, and
crushed stone. There’s leather and burned oak as well. Very powerful
and strong backward taste, a bit green and young with a tight oaky
texture. Still it has a fresh, round and vigorous touch behind the
massive tannins. I think this wine is completely closed down at the
moment and has gone into a slumber for a very long time. Great
potential.
96 point.


1995, Chateau Petrus, Pomerol, Bordeaux, France.
Very dark and inky color with no signs of age at all. The nose is
even more intense than its stable mate in this flight with loads of
black currant fruit, blueberries, crème de cassis, vanilla, tomato
plants and coffee shop. Very fresh and forward taste in the
beginning, but on the mid palate the immense power, concentration
and strong dark intensity burst out of the creamy blur and marks the
true identity of this massive wine and its great potential. Strong
in alcohol and high tannin levels, very opulent and massive
personality. Highly extracted aftertaste with a firm tannic bite.
Beautiful!
97 point

Flight 12:

1990, Chateau Suduiraut, Sauternes, Bordeaux, France.
Light golden color. Lovely nose of peaches, pineapple, almonds,
caramel and butter. Medium to full bodied with a fat and heavy
sweetness and soft round personality. The acidity is very present
but there is plenty of fruit to back it up. Nice long aftertaste.
92 points.

1976, Chateau d’Yquem, Sauternes, Bordeaux, France.
Brilliant golden color, very fat and viscous texture. The dazzling
nose offers up wonderful notes of exotic fruits, pineapples, mango,
oranges, coconuts, crème brûlée, butter, sugar canes and vanilla.
The wine is full-bodied – with a soft and velvety mouth feel. Very
thick and complex taste, creamy and fat. It very elegant and a
classic d’yquem that just has it all. I had this wine earlier this
year where I rated it 100 points. This time I rated it a little
lower as this wine lacked some of its freshness and youthful
vigorous touch in the taste. Perhaps due to bottle variation. Still
it’s a great and very elegant wine.
96 point.

bla bla bla

[Gość: Józef]

Blind tasting never lies

[peyotl108]

to naprawdę cudowne, że istnieja ludzie, którzy odróżniają zapach/smak crushed
blackberries od uncrushed. I crushed stones także.
No i ten Christmas cake... czyli makowiec?? :-)
Bogactwo interpretacji zawiera się też w "milk products", bo to może byc i
jogurt i twaróg, i masło, i nawet bryndza...

Ale i tak nikt na razie nie przebił okreslenia "śmietana rozlana na świeżo
położonym asfalcie" ( z MW)
:-)

[mwi_net]

Piłem la fleur petrus 1997. gdybym wywalił tyle forsy na całą butelkę to do dziś
chyba plułbym sobie w brodę za takie marnotrawstwo pieniędzy. Po obcięciu
jednego zera dalej uważałbym że jest stanowczo za drogie (chyba że prawdziwy
smak człowiek czuje nie po pierwszej butelce ale po trzeciej:)

[Gość: michel]

a gdzie to pijasz ?

ps: jestem swiecie przekonany, ze gdybym ja sam wywalil tyle forsy
za cala butelke, to napewno zawartosc by mi smakowala, nawet gdyby
tego smaku tam nie bylo to bym go sobie wyobrazil,
kapujesz w czym rzecz ?

[mwi_net]

Gość portalu: michel napisał(a):
> jestem swiecie przekonany, ze gdybym ja sam wywalil tyle forsy
> za cala butelke, to napewno zawartosc by mi smakowala, nawet gdyby
> tego smaku tam nie bylo to bym go sobie wyobrazil,
> kapujesz w czym rzecz ?

Dopiero teraz głębia tej kwestii do mnie dotarła. Oczywiście że zakup wina jest
w tym wypadku fragmentem degustacji i znacząco uczula kubki smakowe, stąd wino
które dostałem bez rąbnięcia po kieszeni nie otworzyło tych kubków we właściwy
sposób:)

[docg]

widzę, że mamy co do tych wyników zbliżone odczucia... mnie
najbardziej zdziwiło to, że te Petrusy tak bardzo się od siebie
różnią; porównałem 3 nieodległe od siebie roczniki (90, 95, 98) i w
każdym była zupełnie inna paleta aromatyczna, zupełnie inne usta.
Gdyby nie było przy opisach nazwy wina, zapewne nikt by się nie
domyślił, że to ten sam producent, ba, ta sama apelacja! Czy te wina
nie powinny być do siebie chociaż trochę podobne?

[Gość: >>>]

To opisy dla wzdętej bufonerii pokroju kopipajstera marka.

Na 99% opisy wygenerował program do pisania automatycznych recenzji
win. Jest kilka dobrych na rynku. Używa je kilka wydawnictw.
Generują nieweryfikowalne opisy wina z zadaną punktacją. Używają
określeń aromatycznych których nie da się podważyć.

Przykład typowego tekstu generowanego przez taki program:

zadane dane: Bordeaux 1995, 90-94 punkty:

"Czarno rubinowy kolor, nieprzeźroczysty. Wino pachnie słodkimi
jeżynami i wiśniami. Odznacza się średenią budową, niezłą
kwasowością i sporą dawką słodkiej taniny. Bardziej garbnikowe niż
mięsiste. Klasyczne, eleganckie Bordeaux o dystyngowanej osobowości,
bez duzego ekstraktu. Faktura raczej aksamitna niz jedwabista."

[docg]

Gość portalu: >>> napisał(a):
> Na 99% opisy wygenerował program ...

[Gość: >>>]

docg napisał:

>

Hmmmm

[Gość: Józef]

Dziwne... W tym poście: forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?
f=18&w=75746728&a=76529490

marek_101 pisał tak:
Troplong Mondot 1995
Czarno rubinowy kolor, nieprzeźroczysty. Wino pachnie słodkimi
jeżynami i wiśniami. Odznacza się średenią budową, niezłą
kwasowością i sporą dawką słodkiej taniny. Bardziej garbnikowe niż
mięsiste. Klasyczne, eleganckie Bordeaux o dystyngowanej osobowości,
bez duzego ekstraktu. Faktura raczej aksamitna niz jedwabista. Ocena
ogólna 91 pkt.


O co tu chodzi? Marku Twoi wielbiciele proszą o wyjaśnienia.

[mwi_net]

Gość portalu: >>> napisał(a):
> Na 99% opisy wygenerował program do pisania automatycznych recenzji
> win. Jest kilka dobrych na rynku. Używa je kilka wydawnictw.
> Generują nieweryfikowalne opisy wina z zadaną punktacją. Używają
> określeń aromatycznych których nie da się podważyć.

Kojarzysz może nazwę któregoś z nich? Mógłbyć podrzócić? Przejrzałem kilka
generatorów przemówień, ale to musi być coś bardziej zaawansowanego podnoszącego
prawdopodobieństwo wystąpienia fraz z zadanych kryteriów

[Gość: star]

docg napisał:

> widzę, że mamy co do tych wyników zbliżone odczucia... mnie
> najbardziej zdziwiło to, że te Petrusy tak bardzo się od siebie
> różnią; porównałem 3 nieodległe od siebie roczniki (90, 95, 98) i w
> każdym była zupełnie inna paleta aromatyczna, zupełnie inne usta.

mnie zas zdziwilo, ze deo te opisy przeczytal;-)
dopiero kilka postow wywolalo u mnie chec lektury
- ale do notki 98 juz nie doszedlem

pzdr
star

[docg]

Gość portalu: star napisał(a):
> mnie zas zdziwilo, ze deo te opisy przeczytal;-)

docg

[marek_101]

Parker # 134 (4/5/2001) : 98 The 1998 Petrus is unquestionably a fabulous effort
boasting a dense plum/purple color as well as an extraordinary nose of black
fruits intermixed with caramel, mocha, and vanilla. Exceptionally pure,
super-concentrated, and extremely full-bodied, with admirable underlying acidity
as well as sweet tannin, it reveals a superb mid-palate in addition to the
luxurious richness for which this great property is known. The finish lasts for
40-45 seconds. Patience will definitely be required.


Parker (4/5/1998) : 100 The phenomenally rich, well-endowed 1990 Petrus has been
magical from the first time I tasted it in cask. The color is a dense, jammy
plum/purple. The wine possesses a knock-out nose of black fruits intertwined
with aromas of toasty new oak, caramel, and flowers. Massively rich and
full-bodied, with slightly lower acidity and sweeter tannin than its older
sibling, the 1989, the 1990 is an extraordinarily rich, seamless wine with
layers of flavor, and a finish that lasts for nearly 45 seconds. Although it is
remarkably accessible because of its voluptuous texture, this wine has not begun
to develop secondary nuances. It should hit its peak in 10-15 years, and last
for three decades.

Widzisz docg, jesteś na tym forum od tylu lat a jak przychodzi co do czego to
nie potrafisz nic mądrego napisać. Jak sobie wyobrażasz to podobieństwo między
różnymi rocznikami?? To znaczy ma być w zapachu albo smaku jakiś znak firmowy
Petrusa?? Że jeśli jest jakiś element to znaczy że dane wino to Petrus?? Masz
tutaj opisy Parkera rocznika 1990 i 1998 , czy bez nazwy wina poznałbyś że to
opis Petrusa z dwóch różnych roczników?? A może Parker pisze pierdoły i tak
naprawdę nie potrafi ocenić wina skoro nie widzi podobieństw między Petrusami z
dwóch roczników?? Naprawdę twój komentarz nie jest lepszy niż reszta w tym
wątku, eh żałosne. A co do tego jak jest różnica między "crushed" a " non
crushed blackberries" to proponuję samemu zrobić eksperyment i powąchać jedne i
drugie i zobaczyć czy jest różnica w zapachu.

[Gość: Józef]

Sam sobie strzelasz w stopę tym postem Marku bo właśnie że jest dużo
podobieństw między dwoma notkami.

1998
dense plum/purple color
extraordinary nose of black fruits, ...caramel, mocha, and vanilla.
super-concentrated
extremely full-bodied
sweet tannin
superb mid-palate
luxurious richness

1990
color is a dense, plum/purple
nose of black fruits, ...caramel, and flowers
Massively rich
full-bodied
sweeter tannin
extraordinarily rich
voluptuous texture

to jest właściwie to samo wino z niuansami.
Natomiast przeklejone przez Cebie notki z pionowej degustacji to był
kompletny bełkot, facet pisał wszystko co mu przychodziło do głowy,
każde wino było zarazem "extremely powerful" i "delicate".

J.

[docg]

Dzięki Józef. Dokładnie tak! Marek_101 prawdopodobnie nie rozumie po
angielsku :-))

[marek_101]

> Sam sobie strzelasz w stopę tym postem Marku bo właśnie że jest dużo
> podobieństw między dwoma notkami.

To co powiesz o tym winie?? Czy to też jest Petrus? Podobieństw też sporo:

It possesses a deep purple color, a youthful but promising nose of sweet black
fruits, chocolate, caramel, truffles, and minerals. The wine is exceptionally
rich and full-bodied, with admirable glycerin and thickness. Its development in
the glass indicates the wine is still in a youthful, dormant stage. The finish
is full of sweet fruit, with the wine's extract concealing moderate tannin. The
1990 is a fabulously pure, rich L'Evangile to drink between the turn of the
century and 2020.

Gdyby Parker nie napisał że chodzi o Evangile 1990 to idąc twoim rozumowaniem i
rozumowaniem docg, możnaby stwierdzić że to rocznik Petrusa, bo to jest to samo
wino z niuansami.
Co do samych notatek, to musze powiedzieć że na forum Parkera było dużo do nich
komentarzy,i to myślę od ludzi którzy pili nie jeden rocznik Petrusa, i żaden z
tych komentarzy nie krytykował autora lub z wyższością lub lekceważaniem
traktował jego opisy. Taka jest różnica między Amerykanami a nie napiszę
Polakami tylko "Polaczkami".
Amerykanie których wielu stać na picie Petrusa, gratulują autorowi i cieszą się
że inna osoba miała okazję spróbować wielu roczników Petrusa i chce się własnymi
notatkami podzielić na forum, "Polaczki" z typową dla siebie zawiścią żeby tylko
zgnoić inną osobę, która doszła do czegoś więcej, potrafią tylko wyszydzać. To
jest tak samo widoczne wśród Polaków mieszkających w USA, dlatego nasi rodacy
mają tak marną reputacje w Ameryce. To jest to dokładnie co widać również na tym
forum, najwięcej do powiedzenia mają ci, co nawet w ręku butelki Petrusa nie miały.
Tak jak napisałem to jest żałosne.

długi post dla wytrwałych

[docg]

nie lubię pisać długich postów, ale ponieważ poruszyłeś kilka
ważnych tematów (w końcu jakaś dyskusja na Forum!), nie mam innego
wyjścia. No więc:


> To co powiesz o tym winie?? Czy to też jest Petrus? Podobieństw
też sporo:
> It possesses a deep purple color, a youthful but promising nose
> of sweet black fruits, chocolate, caramel, truffles, and minerals.
> The wine is exceptionally rich and full-bodied, with admirable
> glycerin and thickness...

[sstar]

docg napisał:

>

[kohei]

docg napisał:
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