Obywatelstwo a WTC

[kalamara]

Dzwonilam do Home Office i zostalam poinformowana ze pobieranie zasilku Working Tax Credit jest przeszkoda w otrzymaniu obywatelstwa brytyjskiego (nie wiem jak to sie ma w przypadku innych benefitow). Okres pobierania tego zasilku nie wlicza sie w staz pracy. Pomyslalam ze ta informacja moze sie komus kiedys przydac.

[kalamara]

Moze ktos sie orientuje jak to wyglada w przypadku ,,zwyklego'' Child Benefit? Child Tax Credit jest odpowiednikiem Working Tax Credit wiec tu raczej nie ma co glowkowac...

[plain-vanilla]

CTC nie jest odpowiednikiem WTC. Mysmy pobierali CTC kilka lat I nie bylo problemu z obywatelstwem. Na temat innych zasilkow sie nie wypowiadam.

[yadrall]

My tez pobieralismy CTC od chwili urodzenia sie starszego syna i nie bylo to przeszkoda w otrzymaniu obywatelstwa,wiec te dwa zasilki sa traktowanie inaczej.

[yumemi]

Ja swego czasu dostawałam Child Benefit - chodzi o ten zwykły tak? Nie było w niczym przeszkoda.

[kalamara]

Child Tax Credit? A to niespodzianka...

[plain-vanilla]

Child Tax Credit is a means tested payment for people who have responsibility for
children whether they are working or not. It replaces the previous support in the
benefit and tax system for those with childcare responsibilities.
Nie znaczy, ze ludzie ktorzy go pobieraja maja low paid jobs.
The household income limit for Child Tax Credit is approximately £26,000 for a family with one child or £32,200 for a family with two children, depending on individual circumstances.

WTC
Working Tax Credit (WTC) is a state benefit in the United Kingdom made to people who work and have a low income. It is a part of the current system of refundable (or non-wastable) tax credits introduced in April 2003 and is a means-tested benefit.

Roznica podkreslona.

[plain-vanilla]

Sytuacja wyglada tak, ze UK przykreca srube dla imigrantow, ktorzy chca sie starac o paszport dla dziecka czy aplikuja o naturalizacje. Ceny sa windowane w gore co roku. Teraz za naturalizacja doroslego placi sie £1005 a za rejestracje dziecka £749.
Do tego w listopadzie 2014 zostal wydany oficjalny dokument (niczego takiego wczesniej nie bylo) dla polskich rodzicow, ktorzy aplikuja o paszport dla dziecka urodzonego po 5 latach pobytu rodzica w UK. Mysmy nie wysylali WRS czy innych dokumentow z HMRC razem z aplikacja o paszport dla syna. Teraz jest cala litania wlacznie z tax credits, listami potwierdzajacymi, ze sie zadnych benefitow nie bralo:
Where the parent(s) claims to have been temporarily unemployed or between jobs
during the five years period, they must provide evidence (letter from the DWP) that they
were not on the benefit system. If they have been on the benefit system, this must be for a
period of six month or less for the child to have a claim. If the person has been on
jobseekers for more than six months, this will not necessarily count against a claim but it
would be more difficult to establish one in these circumstances.


Public funds
15.1 EEA nationals exercising treaty rights as workers have rights to claim public funds
(benefits) in the UK for longer than six months without necessarily affecting their claims.
This depends on how they are exercising their treaty rights and their particular
circumstances; for example, EEA nationals who are working legally are entitled to top up
funds such as working tax credits.
15.2 However, this right is restricted when it comes to establishing whether or not an EEA
national is permanently resident in the UK. If it is shown that the EEA national is over
reliant on public funds and for long periods, this would adversely affect whether that
individual has acquire ‘settled’ or ‘permanent’ residence as defined by European law.
15.3 For the purpose of this policy, public funds mean:
 Income support and income-based jobseeker's allowance.
 Housing and homeless assistance.
 Housing and council tax benefit.
 Working family’s tax credit and other forms of tax credits (see exception in
paragraph 16.4).
 Child benefit (see exception in paragraph 16.4).
15.4 Applications should be refused where there is overwhelming evidence that the
parent(s) is dependent on public funds. For example, a person would not be considered as
exercising Treaty rights if they were working only a few hours per week and reliant almost
totally on public funds. However, public funds received for six months or less, before the
child’s birth, cannot count against a claim.
15.5 Where a person is in full-time employment and claiming child benefit or a working
family/child tax credit or other forms of tax credits (pension/disability), this would not count
against a claim.
15.6 Where there are doubts about the level of reliance of an EEA national on public
funds, request evidence (letter from DWP and/or tax returns and National Insurance
contributions) to show that they have not been on the benefit system.
15.7 Where an EEA national has worked in the United Kingdom but temporarily ceases to
work due to illness, accident/injury, maternity leave or redundancy/short term contract, the
following should be considered:
 if the person claims to be temporarily unemployed as a result of an accident or
injury, he/she must provide medical evidence to support his/her case.
 if a person claims to be involuntarily unemployed (redundancy/short term contract),
he/she must provide evidence in the form of interview or job centre letters that
he/she is genuinely seeking work. If the person has been out of work for over six
months and appears to have made little or no attempts (no job interviews or
contacts with the Job Centre) of returning to work, the application should be
refused.
15.8 As a general guide, it would not be expected for an EEA national to remain
temporarily unemployed or claiming top up funds for more than six months. This is,
however, just a guide and does not mean that being on benefits for longer than six months
would count against a claim. EEA nationals claiming benefits for more than this period can
still be regarded as settled if they were working (exercising treaty rights) throughout the
qualifying period and not overwhelming dependent on public funds.
15.9 The important point to bear in mind when considering whether or not someone is
overwhelming dependent on the benefit is to look at the balance between the incomes that
individual gets from work and that from benefits. If the vast majority of income is from
benefits, then it is unlikely that they will have acquired permanent residence under EU law
by relying on that period of residence to meet the 5 year qualifying period.
15.10 Another point to take into consideration when assessing whether or not someone is
overwhelming dependent on the benefit systems is whether their employment is “genuine
and effective” rather than “on such a small scale as to be purely marginal or ancillary”. It’s
difficult to give firm guidelines on what is “genuine and effective” but you would take into
account the frequency of the work, how much they are paid (in comparison with the level
of benefits received), and the nature of the employment relationship.
15.11 If an EEA national is exercising their free movement rights as a worker or selfemployed
person, then they are entitled to claim benefits on the same footing as a British
citizen in the same position. So if an EEA national is working but on a low income, they
may be eligible for tax credits, housing benefit and council tax benefit (if they meet the
relevant criteria for those benefits) without their right of residence being affected.
15.12 Someone who works, say, one day a month via a temping agency and who lives off
benefits the rest of the time is unlikely to be in genuine and effective employment.
Similarly, someone who helps out a friend who runs a shop once a while in exchange for a
few pounds probably won’t qualify. On the other hand, someone who regularly works for
16 hours a week and receives national minimum wage will most likely satisfy the test.
15.13 Where it is difficult to establish from the evidence submitted whether or not the
parent(s) have been overwhelmingly dependent on public funds, refer applicant to UKV&I
to obtain a status letter.
15.14 It is important to note that where an EEA national is on income support or job
seekers allowance, it is likely that they were also on other (housing & council tax) benefits.
However, this would not necessarily count against a claim if the EEA national can provide
evidence to show that they were either working or actively seeking work throughout the
qualifying period.

Moim zdaniem, jesli ktos pracowal 6 lat na pelen etat bez przerw i pobieral WTC - to nie powinno byc to przeszkoda w aplikowaniu o naturalizacje, ale to oczywiscie moje prywatne zdanie.
Napisz, kogo dotyczyla sytuacja, ze powiedzieli na infolinii, ze nie mozna aplikowac ze wzgledu na WTC. Czy ta osoba pracowala part time czy full time.

[kalamara]

Dzieki plain vanilla za tak doglebne potraktowanie tematu. Rozmawialam z HO I wspomnialam ze pobieralam working tax credit przez pewien czas. Gosciu od razu powiedzial, nie pytajac o szczegoly, ze okres w ktorym pobieralam zasilek nie bedzie wliczony w staz pracy. spytalam czy jestem przekreslona I nie powinnam sie ubiegac o obyw. to odpowiedzial ze ,,niekoniecznie''.Jezeli byl to tylko ,,top up'' przez krotki czas to ok. Ja niestety pobieralam niewielka sume (tylko wtc)przez ok 18 m-cy, a czuje sie jak benefit scrounger!
Na immigration board czytalam ze jak zasilki pobiera sie jako para (w ktorej jedna osoba posiada british citizenship) to nie powinno byc problemow. No coz w moim przypadku z powodu chocby niewaznego WRS musze czekac do 2017 roku. Wilelka szkoda bo przeterminuje mi sie egzamin z jezyka I prawdopodobnie Life in Uk.

[kalamara]

Wspomnialam ze pracowalam zarowno na full jak I part time w tamtym okresie.