christmas crackers

[nasza_maggie]

can you buy any in warsaw?

[gfunkallstars]

BHS in Arkadia

[usenetposts]

Nice. How about mince pies?

[varsovian]

Too late for Christmas, but you can get them from
irishshop.pl/
... along with decent sausages.
Apparently he has a shop in Mokotow somewhere, and you can also pick up from
his house in Piastow.
Mince pies are better than shop-bought ones in Britain.

none left :(((((((((((((((((((((((((

[nasza_maggie]

o f f s...

[marcus_anglikiem]

decent sausages?
what? you can't get those in Poland (non-imported) ???

[usenetposts]

Good news, thanks!

[waldek1610]

nasza_maggie napisała:

> can you buy any in warsaw?

And what do you need christmas crakers for? You didn't use them growing up in
Communist Poland, so there's no reason why you would need them now

[nasza_maggie]

you just can't help yourself Waldku....can you? At least try.

why do you talk about Brit stuff all the time?

[waldek1610]

Maggie,
Honestly, your every post sees to be about stuff that has nothing to do with
Poland, nor people conected somehow with that country. Reading your posts I
fill as if I was not on Gazeta.pl, but the BBC.uk forums.....

It's as if some American guy kept comming to our forum, and talking about
American football.....which most people here seems to care nothing about.

Why do you keep bringing up British subject, that have no clear connection with
Poland?

[minimus]

walduś, znasz powiedzenie żal d... ściska?

[waldek1610]

o co mam niby zazdroscic Maggie? Tego ze dziewczyna mieszka/la w Angli?
Przeciez sam mieszkam na stale, i jestem obywatelem USA. A USA to tak jak UK...
tylko ze duzo wieksze i lepsze

[chris-joe]

Mais, Waldo, si tu m'excuse, the forum is for, and I quote, "Foreigners living
in Poland" (more or less so Nothing's been said about obligatory input on
things Polish... The girl likes crackers and she can't help it. C'est
interdit? )

[waldek1610]

As far as I'm concerned "Maggie" is form Warsaw, Poland she was born grew up,
and she lives now in Polish capital. I see no reason why would she fell a need
to act so British? I just think it's somewhat tacky, when Polish women pretends
to be more British then Brits themeselves.

I think Davie, seems less English... then Nasza_Madzia

[chris-joe]

But Mag, after all those years she's spent in the UK, misses the crackers.
Can't she?
It is conceivable that when in the UK she used to miss kutia, now she misses
those damn crackers. Human nature. Can you relate? )

[chris-joe]

Incidentally, where are you in the States, if I may?

[waldek1610]

chris-joe napisał:

> Incidentally, where are you in the States, if I may?


suburbs off Chicago. I hope you are not making inventory of your lame
Polack/glupi polonus jokes and are not planing to start pulling them out of
your sleeve

[chris-joe]

You're not hoping in vain, waldek. No such things up my sleeve. Just curious.

Only a month ago or so I was looking at those suburbs from the window of the
train from O'Hare. Just a day's worth lay-over on our way to Brazil.

Say, there was this scaled down knock-off of Warsaw's Zamek Krolewski somewhere
along the tracks. Know anything about that?

[waldek1610]

chris-joe napisał:

> You're not hoping in vain, waldek. No such things up my sleeve. Just
> curious.
> Only a month ago or so I was looking at those suburbs from the window of the
> train from O'Hare. Just a day's worth lay-over on our way to Brazil.

There's nothing negative about far western suburbs of Chicago where I live.

> Say, there was this scaled down knock-off of Warsaw's Zamek Krolewski
> somewhere along the tracks. Know anything about that?

That is the "Copernicus Center" which consists many qualities, despite being a
knock off. It has a large stage, and its interiors remind the La Scalla rather
then a provintial stage

[usenetposts]

waldek1610 napisał:

> As far as I'm concerned "Maggie" is form Warsaw, Poland she was born grew up,
> and she lives now in Polish capital. I see no reason why would she fell a
need
> to act so British? I just think it's somewhat tacky, when Polish women
pretends
>
> to be more British then Brits themeselves.
>
> I think Davie, seems less English... then Nasza_Madzia

I certainly do here
www.huliganov.com
but I could be accused of doing for the Russkies what Maggie does for the Brits!

Davie's Borat is better Madzia "Maggie" Brityjka:)

[waldek1610]

usenetposts napisał:

> I certainly do here
> www.huliganov.com
> but I could be accused of doing for the Russkies what Maggie does for the
> Brits!


I prefer your impression of Russkie, then Madzia's impression of English
woman

Yeah, I think you're only one step behind Sasha Baron Cohen's Borat Keep it
up!

[usenetposts]

I would be very intrigued to know how a Polish lady like Maggie would perform a
spoof Englishwoman. It might actually be very good box-office.

[waldek1610]

usenetposts napisał:

> I would be very intrigued to know how a Polish lady like Maggie would perform
> a spoof Englishwoman. It might actually be very good box-office.

she doesn't have to pretend it comes to her naturally, beceaus she believes
that she is actually English. At least listening to what she has to say here,
you could be not mistaken that she is British

I have a feeling that Nasza_Madzia reading this is getting an instant
orgasm...sorry for graphic description....

[usenetposts]

waldek1610 napisał:

> Maggie,
> Honestly, your every post sees to be about stuff that has nothing to do with
> Poland, nor people conected somehow with that country. Reading your posts I
> fill as if I was not on Gazeta.pl, but the BBC.uk forums.....
>
> It's as if some American guy kept comming to our forum, and talking about
> American football.....which most people here seems to care nothing about.
>
> Why do you keep bringing up British subject, that have no clear connection
with
>
> Poland?

I will never understand why some people get so upset at the special
relationship that exists between the UK and Poland. It's not going to go away.
I know for example that they got so upset that the defense minister Radek
Sikorski had a UK passport that they made him turn it in last week and renounce
his UK citizenship, but I understand he still has portraits of HM Queen
Elizabeth II up in his house and still dresses a lot more British than most of
us do.

If some Poles like the British way, where's the harm in that?

[waldek1610]

usenetposts napisał:

> I will never understand why some people get so upset at the special
> relationship that exists between the UK and Poland. It's not going to go
> away.

You are missing the point Davie, I do not mind British folks at all, to the
contrary I fill a lot more sympathy to Brits then Germans for example. What I'm
bashing Nasza_Maggie for is not that she picked up some English customs after
living in UK, but because she acts "all British" now, even when you talk to her
about some Polish issues, she seems totally indiferent and represents 100%
foreing views.


> I know for example that they got so upset that the defense minister
> Radek Sikorski had a UK passport that they made him turn it in last week and
> renounce his UK citizenship, but I understand he still has portraits of HM
> Queen Elizabeth II up in his house and still dresses a lot more British than
> most of us do.


Radek Sikorski is one of the few if not the only Polish politician who I don't
feel I need to be ashamed of as far as his good manners and the class he
represents goes. I wish all polish statesman followed his lead it this regard.
Still can you blame those who don't lie the fact that Polish defence minister
has a foreign passport? Can you imagine what would Brits say if Jack Straw had
Ukrainian citizenship?



> If some Poles like the British way, where's the harm in that?

Yes, I agree, but Madzia seems to overdoing it, don't you think? Don't you feel
ackward when you meet a Pole that is more British then you are?

[usenetposts]

waldek1610 napisał:

> usenetposts napisał:
>
> > I will never understand why some people get so upset at the special
> > relationship that exists between the UK and Poland. It's not going to go
>
> > away.
>
> You are missing the point Davie, I do not mind British folks at all, to the
> contrary I fill a lot more sympathy to Brits then Germans for example. What
I'm
>
> bashing Nasza_Maggie for is not that she picked up some English customs after
> living in UK, but because she acts "all British" now, even when you talk to
her
>
> about some Polish issues, she seems totally indiferent and represents 100%
> foreing views.
>

Maybe they are her views. There is nothing to say that Poles have to all agree
with each other. It's a nationality, not a test-tube with cloned embrayers in
it.

>
> > I know for example that they got so upset that the defense minister
> > Radek Sikorski had a UK passport that they made him turn it in last week
> and
> > renounce his UK citizenship, but I understand he still has portraits of H
> M
> > Queen Elizabeth II up in his house and still dresses a lot more British t
> han
> > most of us do.
>
>
> Radek Sikorski is one of the few if not the only Polish politician who I
don't
> feel I need to be ashamed of as far as his good manners and the class he
> represents goes. I wish all polish statesman followed his lead it this regard.

Hear, hear. Maybe you are closer to agreeing with Maggie than you realise.

> Still can you blame those who don't lie the fact that Polish defence minister
> has a foreign passport? Can you imagine what would Brits say if Jack Straw
had
> Ukrainian citizenship?
>

The Ukraine is a country that needs to get its act together. They need people
like Straw, who has a reasonable degree of integrity. However, people of
integrity are not lasting five minutes in that system, and I am just wondering
how this Polish-Ukrainian partnership over the football is going to work out. I
fear a fiasco for Poland due to the difficulty in co-operating with ex-Soviet
mentalities.

>
>
> > If some Poles like the British way, where's the harm in that?
>
> Yes, I agree, but Madzia seems to overdoing it, don't you think? Don't you
feel
>
> ackward when you meet a Pole that is more British then you are?
>

I always say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I happen to know
the geography of Poland because my job involves a lot if travel a lot better
than most Poles do, and I also happen to spell Polish pretty faultlessly - I
might choose inappropriate words or get the grammar wrong, but if I know how a
word sounds I can spell it because I know Russian, and the cognate contains a
clue as to whether something is ż or rz, or o or ó, etc.

And I never found a single Pole ever get into a complex over it, except once in
Duesseldorf, when I told a Pole we had met that after living so many years in
his country, and him so many years in Germany, I was probably more Polish than
he was now.

At which point he flared up and said he was born there, and that's what counts.
It seemed like a spatial version of astrology to me. But there you go. He had
no intention to go there, he's never paid a penny's tax there, he only knows
the language because of his parents, but he was born there. I don't know what
you can do with thickos like that except agree with them. So I agreed that on
the face of it he was more Polish than me after all.

[waldek1610]

usenetposts napisał:

> The Ukraine is a country that needs to get its act together. They need people
> like Straw, who has a reasonable degree of integrity. However, people of
> integrity are not lasting five minutes in that system, and I am just
> wondering how this Polish-Ukrainian partnership over the football is going to
> work out. I fear a fiasco for Poland due to the difficulty in co-operating
> with ex-Soviet mentalities.

Sure, but ex-soviets propably think that integrity is bad characteristic, which
is not going to get you anywhere...in post soviet republic. I somehow believe
that Euro football Championship in Poland-Ukraine going to happen...I hold my
thumbs.

> I always say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

hmmm, considering you imitate Russians with your Victor Ivanowitch character,
but you also have said that you never got to imitate polish people in similar
way.... I guess you value Russian culture over Polish.... Got you! I think
Polish governement suppose to exile you to Siberia for siding with Russkies,
just kidding



> once in Duesseldorf, when I told a Pole we had met that after living so many
> years in his country, and him so many years in Germany, I was probably more
> Polish than he was now. At which point he flared up and said he was born
> there, and that's what counts.


I'm not suprised of his reaction, most Poles would take it as an insult. It is
due to Polish national pride...believe it or not

> It seemed like a spatial version of astrology to me. But there you go. He had
> no intention to go there, he's never paid a penny's tax there, he only knows
> the language because of his parents, but he was born there. I don't know what
> you can do with thickos like that except agree with them. So I agreed that on
> the face of it he was more Polish than me after all.

But would you take it lightly if I said to you; "Davie, you don't know squad
about life in Great Britain, therefore you should follow my advice in
everything Britain related"....? Do you feel offended yet?

[usenetposts]

waldek1610 napisał:

> usenetposts napisał:
>
> > The Ukraine is a country that needs to get its act together. They need pe
> ople
> > like Straw, who has a reasonable degree of integrity. However, people of
> > integrity are not lasting five minutes in that system, and I am just
> > wondering how this Polish-Ukrainian partnership over the football is goin
> g to
> > work out. I fear a fiasco for Poland due to the difficulty in co-operatin
> g
> > with ex-Soviet mentalities.
>
> Sure, but ex-soviets propably think that integrity is bad characteristic,
which
>
> is not going to get you anywhere...in post soviet republic. I somehow believe
> that Euro football Championship in Poland-Ukraine going to happen...I hold my
> thumbs.

If it does it will be because the Poles do all the work and the Polish
taxpayer, such as yours truly, does all the paying.

>
> > I always say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
>
> hmmm, considering you imitate Russians with your Victor Ivanowitch character,
> but you also have said that you never got to imitate polish people in similar
> way.... I guess you value Russian culture over Polish.... Got you!

Well, in many ways I do, but I still prefer living in Poland. But nobody is
going to tell me that Sienkiewicz ranks alongside Tolstoy or Moniuszko
alongside Tchaikovsky.

> I think
> Polish governement suppose to exile you to Siberia for siding with Russkies,
> just kidding

It's not a question of siding with them. When I learned Russian it was
communism and it was a question of "understand your enemy". If I were thirteen
years of age today, and not during the cold war, I would probably have an
Arabic primer tucked in the cover of my maths text book, instead of the Russian
one I had, which, when my teacher discovered it he found quite insulting that I
should prefer teaching myself Russian in his maths class than learning maths.

Had I known then that I was destined to be a due diligence reporting
accountant, I would have paid more attention to Old Gouldy, but I thought I was
going to be a spy. (Some might say "same difference, just in the private
sector").

> > once in Duesseldorf, when I told a Pole we had met that after living so m
> any
> > years in his country, and him so many years in Germany, I was probably mo
> re
> > Polish than he was now. At which point he flared up and said he was born
> > there, and that's what counts.
>
>
> I'm not suprised of his reaction, most Poles would take it as an insult. It
is
> due to Polish national pride...believe it or not

But his national pride apparently didn't lead him to want to go back there.

> > It seemed like a spatial version of astrology to me. But there you go. He
> had
> > no intention to go there, he's never paid a penny's tax there, he only kn
> ows
> > the language because of his parents, but he was born there. I don't know
> what
> > you can do with thickos like that except agree with them. So I agreed tha
> t on
> > the face of it he was more Polish than me after all.
>
> But would you take it lightly if I said to you; "Davie, you don't know squad
> about life in Great Britain, therefore you should follow my advice in
> everything Britain related"....? Do you feel offended yet?

If instead of the US you actually lived in my country, and paid taxes there, I
would have to accept the fact that in many ways you would become more British
than I am.

In the end, the only thing that really gives national identity is one's
consciousness of it, and identification with it and binding that identity into
one's character. Therefore humans can choose what they are going to be, and if
they are consistent with their choice, then society will generally let them be
what they have chosen.

Not that long ago, there were no nations. There were various principalities and
city states, and yet the human being, speaking both in terms of his biology and
his chief psychological drivers, is identical today to what he was then. Only
certain game rules have changed, and are still changing - now more than ever.

Now more than ever you can design your own self, and even redesign it if you
get tired of it. Not only in the virtual world, but even in the physical world
there are unprecedented opportunities to follow the words of George Eliot - a
female writer who modelled herself as a man in order to get acepted as a
novelist, and thus aptly illustrates the truth of the words: "it's never to
late to become the person you might have been".

If I wanted to be a typical Englishman living in England, I could easily go
back there, but that's not what the people who founded the country YOU live in
did and that's not what I'm gonna do either. If England started to have a civil
war against the loony left, I would go back and fight, but I can't see that
happening, and so the loony left will simply be allowed to take over and the
whole place will go down the tubes sometime in the next 200 years and become
the drug-taking, islamo-fascist cow-towing, sentimentalist-liberal, new-age,
nanny-state, big-brother, welfare-dependant, rule-of-lawyer-instead-of-rule-of-
law, ridiculously overpriced, white-male-hating, arrogance-in-the-midst-of-
utter-fiasco purgatory it is shaping up to be.

I wish my country wouldn't do that, but it will, and so I have to get my
bloodline out and find a better place for them, hence we are here. At least for
the time being. But I will not be Polish. I am a European citizen taking
advantages of the European roaming rights I am told I have under the Treaty of
Roam. Wherever I lay my chata, that's my home.

[waldek1610]

usenetposts napisał:

> If it does it will be because the Poles do all the work and the Polish
> taxpayer, such as yours truly, does all the paying.


Well, you choose to live in Poland, therefor you have to pay Polish
taxes...just like I have choosed to live in US....

> Well, in many ways I do, but I still prefer living in Poland. But nobody is
> going to tell me that Sienkiewicz ranks alongside Tolstoy or Moniuszko
> alongside Tchaikovsky.


...Sure, English speaking countries always set up all rankings so the
Shakespeare is always number one, followed by other writers imperial writers
and Poets. Did it ever apeared to you that so called classic, world class
writers and poets all come from different Empires;

Plato, Socrates & Cicero - (Greek) Hellenic Empire
Shakespeare, Locke- British Empire
Hemingway- USA Imperial Power
Toystoy, Pushkin, Tchaikowski- Russian Empire

Those rankings are writen by Western ingorance rather then being true
reflection of the actual worth based on they actuall virtue and valor.




> If I wanted to be a typical Englishman living in England, I could easily go
> back there, but that's not what the people who founded the country YOU live
> in did and that's not what I'm gonna do either. If England started to have a
> civil war against the loony left, I would go back and fight, but I can't see
> that happening, and so the loony left will simply be allowed to take over and
> the whole place will go down the tubes sometime in the next 200 years and
> become the drug-taking, islamo-fascist cow-towing, sentimentalist-liberal,
> new-age, nanny-state, big-brother, welfare-dependant, rule-of-lawyer-instead-
> of-rule-of-law, ridiculously overpriced, white-male-hating, arrogance-in-the-
> midst-of-utter-fiasco purgatory it is shaping up to be.
>
> I wish my country wouldn't do that, but it will, and so I have to get my
> bloodline out and find a better place for them, hence we are here. At least
> for the time being. But I will not be Polish. I am a European citizen taking
> advantages of the European roaming rights I am told I have under the Treaty
> of Roam. Wherever I lay my chata, that's my home.

Are you sure? If you continue to live in Poland for another decade you will
finally realise that you have nothing in England to come back to, especially
your wife and son, who will be more Polish then English, and if Poland is not
going to discontinue military draft, your son is going to serve in Wojsko
Polskie...

[usenetposts]

waldek1610 napisał:

> usenetposts napisał:
>
> > If it does it will be because the Poles do all the work and the Polish
> > taxpayer, such as yours truly, does all the paying.
>
>
> Well, you choose to live in Poland, therefor you have to pay Polish
> taxes...just like I have choosed to live in US....

Chosen. Sure, but none of us have chosen to foot the bill for the Ukrainians
share of theb work, and I am just saying I will not be surprised if that
happens.

>
> > Well, in many ways I do, but I still prefer living in Poland. But nobody
> is
> > going to tell me that Sienkiewicz ranks alongside Tolstoy or Moniuszko
> > alongside Tchaikovsky.
>
>
> ...Sure, English speaking countries always set up all rankings so the
> Shakespeare is always number one, followed by other writers imperial writers
> and Poets. Did it ever apeared to you that so called classic, world class
> writers and poets all come from different Empires;
>
> Plato, Socrates & Cicero - (Greek) Hellenic Empire
> Shakespeare, Locke- British Empire
> Hemingway- USA Imperial Power
> Toystoy, Pushkin, Tchaikowski- Russian Empire

So what about Dante, Petrarch and Bocaccio?

> Those rankings are writen by Western ingorance rather then being true
> reflection of the actual worth based on they actuall virtue and valor.

On the contrary I think that they are certainly based on merit, at least these
days.

Why is Sienkiewicz worth placing on a level with Tolstoy or Dostoyevsky? Why is
Szymborska worth placing next to Pushkin on a bookshelf? What makes these works
great art on a par with the classics?

> > If I wanted to be a typical Englishman living in England, I could easily
> go
> > back there, but that's not what the people who founded the country YOU li
> ve
> > in did and that's not what I'm gonna do either. If England started to hav
> e a
> > civil war against the loony left, I would go back and fight, but I can't
> see
> > that happening, and so the loony left will simply be allowed to take over
> and
> > the whole place will go down the tubes sometime in the next 200 years and
>
> > become the drug-taking, islamo-fascist cow-towing, sentimentalist-liberal
> ,
> > new-age, nanny-state, big-brother, welfare-dependant, rule-of-lawyer-inst
> ead-
> > of-rule-of-law, ridiculously overpriced, white-male-hating, arrogance-in-
> the-
> > midst-of-utter-fiasco purgatory it is shaping up to be.
> >
> > I wish my country wouldn't do that, but it will, and so I have to get my
> > bloodline out and find a better place for them, hence we are here. At lea
> st
> > for the time being. But I will not be Polish. I am a European citizen tak
> ing
> > advantages of the European roaming rights I am told I have under the Trea
> ty
> > of Roam. Wherever I lay my chata, that's my home.
>
> Are you sure? If you continue to live in Poland for another decade you will
> finally realise that you have nothing in England to come back to, especially
> your wife and son, who will be more Polish then English, and if Poland is not
> going to discontinue military draft, your son is going to serve in Wojsko
> Polskie...

I don't think that actually works on the basis of residency. You cannot be
drafted as a non-national. Very few people who go through higher education
actually do that military time, by the way. Poland seems to know well enough
that it needs an elite and needs for the elite not to go into battle.

That having been said, if there is a just war, sometimes men simply have to go
and fight, draft or no draft.