Najwyzsza Izba Kontroli

[Gość: florence]

Jak to bedzie po angielsku?

[Gość: ms jones]

'Supreme Chamber of Control' - zobacz w wersji angielskiej na ich dwujezycznej
stronie: www.nik.gov.pl/

'Supreme Chamber of Control' - HA HAHAHAA!!!

[Gość: kovalsky]

That is farking hysterical

[paanika]

What's so funny about it? As you see that is how NIK is called in Poland.
And what does farking mean?

supreme chamber

[Gość: karul]

of anything - doesn't make sense in english, for god's sake! tylko przez
polskie umilowanie pustej terminologii mozna wytlumaczyc te "najwyzsza" izbe.

chamber=komnata, lower chamber=izba nizsza w parlamencie, chamber music=muzyka
kameralna, bo kiedys przeznaczona do malych pomieszczen a nie do sal
koncertowych.

wiec po prostu tak: NIK(Poland's Auditor General) i kazdy anglojezyczny
zrozumie.

[paanika]

Gość portalu: karul napisał(a):

wiec po prostu tak: NIK(Poland's Auditor General) i kazdy anglojezyczny
> zrozumie.
>
Zrozumiec moze i zrozumie, ale blednie, bo w Polsce nie ma czegos takiego jak
Biuro Generalnego Rewidenta Ksiegowego ani tez samego ksiegowego, tak jak w
krajach anglosaskich nie ma takiej izby.
Chcesz przekladac systemy?

Poza tym dlaczego piszesz Poland's Auditor General?
A moze tak wezmy nazwy z innych krajow anglojezycznych jak, np.'Office of
Managment and Budget of Poland' albo 'Poland General Accaunting Office'. Czy
kazdy debil w Kanadzie zrozumialby, ze o to samo chodzi czy moze trzeba by bylo
dodac, ze to tak jak 'Auditor General of Canada'?

[justa_79]

nie wiem, czemu sie przyczepiłeś do słowa chamber jako izba. w Polsce działa
wiele różnych izb (coś jak stowarzyszenie) i w angielskiej nazwie mają właśnie
chamber. np. Polish-British Chamber of Commerce itp. itd. do każdego kraju
prawie tak samo. więc dlaczego NIK nie może być izbą, skoro sobie chce?

[ampolion]

Bo nie jest stowarzyszeniem. A co do kontroli finansowo-księgowej natury to jest
termin comptroller, Office of State Comptroller. Może to to.

[justa_79]

sądząc po opisie tychże amerykańskich urzędów, nie do końca odpowiadają one
funkcjom NIKu.

[Gość: kovalsky]

it's funny because it evokes images along these lines:

www.phnx-international.com/Pictures/Photogallery%20-%20Manned%20Services/Chamber%20Control%20Console.jpg
surgery.med.miami.edu/hyperbaric/hyperbaric-images/6.jpg
www.cowanmfg.com.au/hyperbaric/gallery/Installed_Chamber.jpg
www.chaos.org.uk/~markt/conspiracy/conspiracy.jpeg

[deadeasy]

buahahahaha!
the first one is boss!

Maybe it is something simmilar to the National Audit Office.
www.nao.org.uk/home.htm
:)

[deadeasy]

doh! "mm"!
;)

[Gość: ms jones]

Ours not to reason why... Silly or not, that's what THEY've chosen to call
themselves and that's what they are known as - it IS their official name.
NIK is listed in the US Library of Congress as Supreme Control Chamber (another
cue to A)die laughing ;) B)raise eybrows in disbelief C) accept the facts.)
It's not as if they are not aware of the alternatives - they list 'sister'
institutions on their website:

Supreme Audit Institutions: European Union

Austria (Rechnungshof)
Belgium (Cour des Comptes/Rekenhof)
Denmark (Rigsrevisionen)
Finland (Statens Revisionsverk)
France (Cour des Comptes)
Germany (Bundesrechnungshof)
Italy (Corte dei conti)
Ireland (Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General)
Netherlands (Algeme Rekenkamer)
Portugal (Tribunal de Contas)
Spain (Tribunal Superior de Cuentas)
Sweden (Riksrevisionsverket)
United Kingdom (National Audit Office)

Supreme Audit Institutions: Central and Eastern Europe

Albania (State Supreme Audit Control)
Croatia (State Audit Office)
Estonia (Riigikontroll)
Hungary (Állami Számvevöszék)
Latvia (Valsts kontrole)
Lithuania (Valstybës Kontrolë)

Other Supreme Institutions

Australia (National Audit Office)
Brazil (Tribunal de Contas da União)
Canada (Office of the Auditor General/ Bureau du vérificateur général)
Iceland (Ríkisendurskoðun)
India (Comptroller and Auditor General)
Japan (Board of Audit)
Norway (Riksrevisjonen)
Peru (Contraloria General de la Republica)
United States of America (General Accounting Office)

For me the real find is the website's translation of 'Kancelaria Prezesa Rady
Ministrow' - 'Chancellery of the Prime Minister'. What, not the Cabinet? :O

[Gość: kovalsky]

no need to get defensive, ms jones. All i said was that it sounds funny in
english, which it does. It's also MEANINGLESS

[Gość: ms jones]

> what's up with all the "ours not to reason why" and "accept the facts",
Just being pragmatic.

are you
> from Prussia or feudal japan or something? I can laugh at whatever i want.
No need to get defensive, mr kovalsky ;)

[Gość: steph]

It may well be listed as Supreme Control Chamber here or there. The fact
remains, however, that it is a poor attempt at translation, resulting in a name
which means nothing to the majority of the world population, ie those without
Polish roots.

[Gość: ms jones]

The fact
> remains, however, that it is a poor attempt at translation, resulting in a
>name which means nothing to the majority of the world population, ie those >
> without Polish roots.

We're all in agreement on that, it's a daft idea. My point is that as this is
their official - presumably established - name in English, we can like it or
lump it.

like it or lump it

[Gość: kovalsky]

can we not also laugh at it, or does the Commissar forbid?

[Gość: ms jones]

Private Kovolski, relax, it's an order! ;)

[Gość: ms jones]

Sorry, didn't mean to misspell your name.

[Gość: kovalsky]

that;s ok, it's not my name anyway :)

[Gość: steph]

Somewhat stubbornly, I refuse to accept it as an established name, And yes, I'd
lump it rather than risk ridicule by using it in any written document. Anyway,
who cares?

[deadeasy]

Zwa to "Supreme Chamber of Control"... ale tez:
oto co "wygrzebalam" z BBC:
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/692760.stm
...zeby pewnie ludziska zrozumieli funkcje jaka pelni NIK w Polsce.

Wydaje mi sie, ze jakis czas temu jakis "ptys" wzial slownik i
przetlumaczyl "kontrole" (=inspekcje) jako "control", chociaz tutaj mysle
chodzi raczej o "audit" wykonywanie ... a nie
*scisle* "kontrolowanie=rzadzanie" - no i tak sie "ostalo". Mozna twierdzic,
ze NIK sprawuje kontrole nad wydawaniem panstwowych pieniedzy poprzez
wykonywanie kontroli. Wedlog mnie "Control" nie tutaj jest ani zbyt zgrabnym
ani trafnym tlumaczneiem i wolalabym "Audit" ale co z tego. :)
Mamy "Supreme Chamber of Control" - cos co brzmi jak z futurystycznej wizji
("Brazil"?) ;)
:)

PS: Z innej beki...gdzies na jednej polskiej stronie internetowej opisuja
zjawisko "bullying" a nazywaja to "mobbing". Co Szanownie Panstwo na to? :)

[deadeasy]

Jezusie Maryjo... "wedlUg"

[Gość: ...]

The term "German Chancellor" also means nothing to the majority of world
population. No doubt The Equerry to the Queen is a very familiar title understod
by the majority of porridge eaters.
Stop being ridiculous, every country has its own terminology, some of it may
sound funny to the outsiders but that't the way it is.

so...

[Gość: kovalsky]

if something sounds funny it's ridiculous to laugh at it, is that the gist?

"Chancellor" is a descriptive English translation of a German word - in English
it means, among other things, "The chief minister of state". Most literate
people know what a German Chancellor is, just as they know what a Russian Tsar
is.

"The Equerry to the Queen" is in its native form, so would you in Polish
say "paź królewski" (a descriptive translation) or "stajenny królowej" (a
literal translation)?

Please note, this has nothing to do with my level of respect for the
institution NIK. We are just talking about the stupid English translation of
their name. I thought that was obvious, but perhaps not.

[Gość: ...]

I wouldn't worry too much about it. Very few terms are sufficiently descriptive
to convey their exact meaning to the reader. While we're talking about "NIK" its
Polish name is not exactly englightening. But it's just the name. What's the
difference between "Prime Minister" and "Premier" for example? In theory none of
course. But look at Australia. Federal Government is headed by the Prime
Minister, whereas State Governments are headed by Premiers. So, what's in the
name? Tradition? Usage? Familiarity?

[Gość: kovalsky]

i'm not worried

[Gość: ...]

OK, so how's that for fun? The Cabinet introduced by The Polish Constitution of
1791 was called "Straz Praw". Try to translate that in a meaningful way;)

[Gość: kovalsky]

i'm not familiar with the subject, but you just translated it in a meaningful
way: The Cabinet. Or if you wanted to get into it, you could say "The Cabinet,
known in Poland as the 'Guardian of Rights'" Or something like that.

anyways

[Gość: xman]

Oxford PWN defines it this way:
NIK m, f inv. (G NIK-u) (= Najwyższa Izba Kontroli) Supreme Chamber of Control

and there are loads of eyebrow-raising names in English, including countries
like the USA or England, where they have somewhat got so deeply rooted that
nobody cares what else they may evoke...

Anyway, IMHO it's as useless name as many others for things that do not exist
in the other culture.