Political language

[Gość: mgr Wypych]

"I will support the cloture in case there is a filibuster" said well known
politician.
What was he talking about? Who was he?

[Gość: chickenShorts]

W. Wilson at the time of new Senate's rule on the Treaty of Versailles, in
1919? Cloture means here simply ending a debate for an immediate vote.

[Gość: mgr Wypych]

You've got part of it correct. I'm looking for in depth explanation
of the terms cloture and filibuster, the place an a situation it occures.
I am not looking for a name of the person, rather for the function.

Keep trying.

Is you formerly WOJTEK? or is you new original?

ye olde 'Ferrero Rocher'

[Gość: mishy]

I am not wanting to make too long speech tonight as I am knowing your
old English saying, 'Early to bed and up with the cock'

[Gość: chickenShorts]

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> Is you formerly WOJTEK? or is you new original?

Try me on something more important and relevant to today and you'll see.

[Gość: mgr Wypych]

The american political system is not a parliamentary one although it might
resemble it to the foreign observer. Two years ago during the presidential
election controversy, Europeans were puzzled. I've initiated this topic to
bring the subject closer to you.

None of you gave a satisfactory explanation what a filibuster and a cloture
mean. Don't be afraid. Load your guns and shoot.

If nobody comes up with an explanation I will post one on Thursday.

Have fun.

[Gość: chickenShorts]

I hope for the best from you. To explain a system whereby an un-elected
pinhead-oil-spiv can with a little help of a High Court Judge become a
president must be a tough task. But once you are there, tell us few words about
O.J. Simpson as well. I wait with impatience.

[Gość: mgr Wypych]

Ever heard of equal protection clause in in the US constitution?
No need to get so emotional. Ain't gonna help.

Why was he, as you put it, "unelected"?

[Gość: chickenShorts]

www.bushneverwonflorida.com/

No emotions, only evidence wherever unsupressed...

[Gość: mgr Wypych]

Evidence? By political hacks?
www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html
www.bushwatch.net/gorebush.htm
Note in section startig "Ballot standards under which disqualified.......
All ballots had additional votes on them and by law known before election
cannot be valid. That's the only reason they weren't counted and they
shouldn't be for anybody. The canvassing board does not have power to guess
the intention of the voter.

But, anyone can believe in anything

[Gość: chickenShorts]

Gość portalu: mgr Wypych napisał(a):

> Evidence? By political hacks?
(...) On what bases you assess what is hackich and what not? The pro-Bush media
spin worked full-time.

> But, anyone can believe in anything<

Had the elections 2000 resulted in a clean win for Bush, there would have been
no room for the kind of statement as the one above. Nobody in his right mind
would devote time and energy to evidence-ing and speculating on the other
possibility. Even conservatives like yourself embraced the recent mid-term
results with relief as though their own doubts were finally disspelled, many
saying 'at last he got elected!'. But then, how much post 9/11 emotions played
in all that, eh?

[Gość: mgr Wypych]

What pro-Bush media. There isn't one.

[Gość: chickenShorts]

Mgr,
let's skip this, shall we? It is not unlike an avowed atheist and a Methodist
minister talking about ultimate Reality.
Give me a clue to your 'cloture...' instead. When did it happen, what you have
in mind?

[Gość: mgr Wypych]

I am quiet surprised that nobody knows the answer. I've wrongly assumed that
many of the people voicing their political opinions on this forum wouldn't have
such a hard time answering the question.

Tomorrow I'll tell it all.

[Gość: mgr Wypych]

Filibuster - Informal term for any attempt to block or delay Senate action on
a bill or other matter by debating it at length, by offering numerous
procedural motions, or by any other delaying or obstructive actions.

cloture - The only procedure by which the Senate can vote to place a time
limit on consideration of a bill or other matter, and thereby overcome a
filibuster. Under the cloture rule (Rule XXII), the Senate may limit
consideration of a pending matter to 30 additional hours, but only by vote of
three-fifths of the full Senate, normally 60 votes.

All of it takes place in US Senate. Let's say there is a bill that has a
support of 53 senators. Under normal circumstances the passage of that bill
is a sure thing. One of the opposing senators or a few of them acting in
concert, begin an onstuctive action to delay or even kill the bill.
That is a filibuster. It might be impossible to mount a coalition of 60
senators to limit the debate and present the bill for a vote.


the original question was:
"I will support the cloture in case there is a filibuster" said well known
politician.
What was he talking about? Who was he? <<< I meant: "What was he?"
He obviously had to be a senator.


There is another one "Motion to table". Anyone?

[Gość: brum_brum]

Here's one for you smartypants:

1. Gerrymander

What does it mean and where does the word come from?

brum_brum

[Gość: mgr. ******]

Gerrymander - In 1812 Governor Eldridge Gerry of Massachussets revised local
Congressional boundaries so as to prevent his fellow Democrats from suffering
an ignominous defeat. The painter Gilbert Stuart saw a map of the area in
question while working at the Boston Centinel newspaer, declared it to resemble
a salamander, and promptly augmented it with wings, claws and a beak to create
a cartoon. His editor, Benjamin Russell, decided that Gerry-mander was a more
appropriate name for it, and the word almost immediately became the popular
term for any unfair adjustment of electoral boundaries, as the Gerry-mander
cartoon was subsequently copied extensively in political literature. Stuart's
other, greater claim to fame is as the painter of George Washington's portrait
as used on the one dollar bill, and Gerry emerged from the scandal relatively
unscathed, going on to be James Madison's Vice-President.

GERRY + salaMANDER.

Gerrymandering is still well alive. George F. Will wrote a book titled "Woven
Figure".
Just take a look to North Carolina 12th Congressional District.
alabamamaps.ua.edu/politics/states/ncdistrict12.jpg
The brown color represents that district.
And here is the congresman
alabamamaps.ua.edu/politics/states/ncdistrict12.jpg
Only in America.

[Gość: chickenShorts]

Yup. Now I do understand!!!...

[Gość: chickenShorts]

OK, MGR, what was the Lewis&Clark expedition all about and what's the name of
the Native American tribe that sheltered the said expedition?

[Gość: brum_brum]

Thanks for the explanation.

Maybe one day we can meet in Boozerville and continue our discussion of
underhanded political techniques.

bb

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> Gerrymander - In 1812 Governor Eldridge Gerry of Massachussets revised local
> Congressional boundaries so as to prevent his fellow Democrats from suffering
> an ignominous defeat. The painter Gilbert Stuart saw a map of the area in
> question while working at the Boston Centinel newspaer, declared it to
resemble
>
> a salamander, and promptly augmented it with wings, claws and a beak to
create
> a cartoon. His editor, Benjamin Russell, decided that Gerry-mander was a more
> appropriate name for it, and the word almost immediately became the popular
> term for any unfair adjustment of electoral boundaries, as the Gerry-mander
> cartoon was subsequently copied extensively in political literature. Stuart's
> other, greater claim to fame is as the painter of George Washington's
portrait
> as used on the one dollar bill, and Gerry emerged from the scandal relatively
> unscathed, going on to be James Madison's Vice-President.
>
> GERRY + salaMANDER.
>
> Gerrymandering is still well alive. George F. Will wrote a book titled "Woven
> Figure".
> Just take a look to North Carolina 12th Congressional District.
> <a
href="alabamamaps.ua.edu/politics/states/ncdistrict12.jpg"target="_bl
> ank">alabamamaps.ua.edu/politics/states/ncdistrict12.jpg</a>
> The brown color represents that district.
> And here is the congresman
> <a
href="alabamamaps.ua.edu/politics/states/ncdistrict12.jpg"target="_bl
> ank">alabamamaps.ua.edu/politics/states/ncdistrict12.jpg</a>
> Only in America.