Brytyjczycy o konstytucji

Gość: mirmat Niech ciemnota czyta (jezeli potrafi) IP: 64.7.158.* 09.12.03, 19:53

The Prime Minister has got no clothes
Commentary by
TREVOR KAVANAGH
London Sun Political Editor
LABOUR MP Gisela Stuart is like the child who said fearlessly what none of the
grown-ups could admit: "The Emperor has no clothes."

Thanks to her, Tony Blair stands exposed, stripped of his excuse that the
discredited EU Constitution is just a "tidying up exercise".

His claim that there will be no "fundamental difference in the way we are
governed" is revealed as a sham.

And his assurance that there is nothing anti-American about the EU is nonsense.

This Constitution, as everyone else in Europe is happy to admit, is a blueprint
for a federal Europe.

Once signed, perhaps as soon as next weekend, there will be no turning back.

We will surrender our right to make our most important laws covering the way we
do business, administer justice, defend the nation and guard our borders.

Unaccountable judges will take over from elected politicians to interpret the
Constitution as they see fit.

National parliaments and governments will be progressively sidelined until they
are left impotent except over issues Brussels has no interest in.

Those who have been alarmed by this undemocratic stitch-up had hoped a
patriotic member of the British Government would blow the whistle.

Keith Vaz, Denis McShane and Peter Hain should hang their heads in shame.

It has taken a German to show the courage to take on the contemptuous European
elite who intend to suck the life out of our national parliaments.

Gisela Stuart is a fervent pro-European who, along with Tory David Heathcoat-
Amory, was appointed to represent the House of Commons on the Constitution.

She began her stint on the inner circle with bright expectations for a more
efficient and useful EU. She emerged bruised and disenchanted by the scornful
European fat cats who use Brussels as their personal political fiefdom.

Mr Heathcoat-Amory has written his own scathing attack on the way their views
were swept aside by the contemptuous Eurocrats.

As a Tory, his comments were dismissed as those of just another Tory
eurosceptic.

But Tony Blair cannot dismiss the woman he selected to balance the debate.

What is more, Gisela Stuart is not a lone voice in this Government.

Her views are echoed in Downing Street, the Cabinet Office, the Foreign Office —
and at the Treasury, where Chancellor Gordon Brown has been thunderous in his
criticism.

There is alarm in the City, in our armed forces and at the highest levels of
the Civil Service.

Gisela Stuart has rung the bell. If Labour MPs want something really worth a
mutiny, they should come out fighting before it is too late.

The EU Con stitution
By TREVOR KAVANAGH
and NIC CECIL
SHOCK proof emerged last night that the new EU Constitution has been drafted to
seize power from Britain and other EU states.

A bombshell report by one of Tony Blair’s most trusted MPs reveals ruthless
plotting, self-interest and ugly anti-Americanism by the treaty’s architects.

And it exposes the way laws affecting the lives of 450million citizens have
been drawn up in secret to guarantee jobs for Europe’s political elite.
German-born MP Gisela Stuart was picked by Mr Blair to advise the convention
which drew up the Constitution.

But she ended up so alarmed by the threat to British sovereignty that she
threatened to campaign against it.

Her evidence comes as leaders of 25 EU states, including Mr Blair, prepare this
week to sign away the powers of their national parliaments forever.

Ambitious Mrs Stuart — a former junior health minister — has almost certainly
sacrificed her political career by acting as a whistle-blower.

But she warns: "The convention was riddled with imperfections and moulded by a
largely unaccountable political elite set on a particular outcome from the very
start.

"Any representative who took issue with the fundamental goal of deeper
integration was sidelined.

"Anti-Americanism remains one of the less edifying driving forces in the
process of European integration.

"The Convention brought together a self-selected group of the European
political elite, many of whom see national parliaments as an obstacle."

Mrs Stuart and Conservative MP David Heathcoat-Amory were the two UK MPs on the
convention which drew up the draft Constitution.

Mr Heathcoat-Amory has also published a devastating indictment of the
negotiations.

Both MPs claim the committee was kept in the dark, its views ignored and
objections overruled. Their decision to speak out is a massive blow to Mr
Blair’s refusal to allow a referendum on the surge towards a Euro superstate.

But Mrs Stuart scathingly compared the proposed blueprint to a 50-year-old
unroadworthy Mini unsuitable for the 21st Century EU.

She warned the plan is packed with political timebombs which the Brussels elite
will use to destroy nation states by stealth.

She said: "This Constitution initiates processes for future development with
the aim of deeper integration. Where the political climate means certain ideas
for future integration are not yet acceptable, the draft Constitution creates
the structure for a process to develop later."

Mrs Stuart raised the alarm about backdoor moves to give Brussels control over
Britain’s tax system and end the UK’s rebate from EU coffers of up to £5billion
a year.

She highlighted moves to create a European Public Prosecutor and give the
European Court of Justice new powers to make the law in Britain.The Sun has led
warnings that the Constitution will give Brussels a hold over Britain’s tax,
defence, foreign, employment, economic, criminal and social policies.

The Queen faces being replaced as head of State and Brussels would get control
over North Sea oil.

Ministers have tried to dismiss the Constitution as a tidying-up exercise while
the PM has insisted it will not mean major constitutional change.

But Mrs Stuart destroyed both arguments.

She suggested Mr Blair should hold a referendum or at least give MPs a free
vote.

She pointed out that signing up to a EU Constitution was not in Labour’s 2001
election manifesto.

And she warned Mr Blair not to ignore the Swedish No vote to join the euro
which showed many voters do not want greater EU integration.

She also expressed contempt for the key architect of the plan, former French
president Valery Giscard D’Estaing.

She told how her computer’s spell check came up with "discard" for Giscard — a
view she had "great sympathy with" at times.

She added: "He once told us, ‘This is what you have to do if you want the
people to build statues of you on horseback in the villages you all come from’."

She blasted Giscard for handing out the skeleton of the draft Constitution
in "brown envelopes", leaving people unaware who had written it.

And she revealed key changes were introduced late at night or in French.

Giscard even told the Slovenian representative his vote did not count because
he disagreed with him.

Mrs Stuart accused many MPs and MEPs on the convention of dubious motives like
seeking well-paid new jobs.

And she said a new Constitution was not vital for ten states, mainly eastern
European, to join the EU next year.

Finally she called for a new Secretary of State for Europe in the Cabinet and
EU Questions in the Commons because Brussels now plays such a large role in our
everyday life.

Tory Mr Heathcoat-Amory said: "All Tony Blair’s reassurances are not believed,
even by his own side.

"Gisela Stuart knows more about this European Constitution than anyone else in
the Labour Party.

"Tony Blair is either trying to fool the people or has been fooled himself into
signing away Britain’s sovereig

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Gość: mirmat Niech ciemnota czyta (jezeli potrafi) IP: 64.7.158.* 09.12.03, 19:53

The Prime Minister has got no clothes
Commentary by
TREVOR KAVANAGH
London Sun Political Editor
LABOUR MP Gisela Stuart is like the child who said fearlessly what none of the
grown-ups could admit: "The Emperor has no clothes."

Thanks to her, Tony Blair stands exposed, stripped of his excuse that the
discredited EU Constitution is just a "tidying up exercise".

His claim that there will be no "fundamental difference in the way we are
governed" is revealed as a sham.

And his assurance that there is nothing anti-American about the EU is nonsense.

This Constitution, as everyone else in Europe is happy to admit, is a blueprint
for a federal Europe.

Once signed, perhaps as soon as next weekend, there will be no turning back.

We will surrender our right to make our most important laws covering the way we
do business, administer justice, defend the nation and guard our borders.

Unaccountable judges will take over from elected politicians to interpret the
Constitution as they see fit.

National parliaments and governments will be progressively sidelined until they
are left impotent except over issues Brussels has no interest in.

Those who have been alarmed by this undemocratic stitch-up had hoped a
patriotic member of the British Government would blow the whistle.

Keith Vaz, Denis McShane and Peter Hain should hang their heads in shame.

It has taken a German to show the courage to take on the contemptuous European
elite who intend to suck the life out of our national parliaments.

Gisela Stuart is a fervent pro-European who, along with Tory David Heathcoat-
Amory, was appointed to represent the House of Commons on the Constitution.

She began her stint on the inner circle with bright expectations for a more
efficient and useful EU. She emerged bruised and disenchanted by the scornful
European fat cats who use Brussels as their personal political fiefdom.

Mr Heathcoat-Amory has written his own scathing attack on the way their views
were swept aside by the contemptuous Eurocrats.

As a Tory, his comments were dismissed as those of just another Tory
eurosceptic.

But Tony Blair cannot dismiss the woman he selected to balance the debate.

What is more, Gisela Stuart is not a lone voice in this Government.

Her views are echoed in Downing Street, the Cabinet Office, the Foreign Office —
and at the Treasury, where Chancellor Gordon Brown has been thunderous in his
criticism.

There is alarm in the City, in our armed forces and at the highest levels of
the Civil Service.

Gisela Stuart has rung the bell. If Labour MPs want something really worth a
mutiny, they should come out fighting before it is too late.

The EU Con stitution
By TREVOR KAVANAGH
and NIC CECIL
SHOCK proof emerged last night that the new EU Constitution has been drafted to
seize power from Britain and other EU states.

A bombshell report by one of Tony Blair’s most trusted MPs reveals ruthless
plotting, self-interest and ugly anti-Americanism by the treaty’s architects.

And it exposes the way laws affecting the lives of 450million citizens have
been drawn up in secret to guarantee jobs for Europe’s political elite.
German-born MP Gisela Stuart was picked by Mr Blair to advise the convention
which drew up the Constitution.

But she ended up so alarmed by the threat to British sovereignty that she
threatened to campaign against it.

Her evidence comes as leaders of 25 EU states, including Mr Blair, prepare this
week to sign away the powers of their national parliaments forever.

Ambitious Mrs Stuart — a former junior health minister — has almost certainly
sacrificed her political career by acting as a whistle-blower.

But she warns: "The convention was riddled with imperfections and moulded by a
largely unaccountable political elite set on a particular outcome from the very
start.

"Any representative who took issue with the fundamental goal of deeper
integration was sidelined.

"Anti-Americanism remains one of the less edifying driving forces in the
process of European integration.

"The Convention brought together a self-selected group of the European
political elite, many of whom see national parliaments as an obstacle."

Mrs Stuart and Conservative MP David Heathcoat-Amory were the two UK MPs on the
convention which drew up the draft Constitution.

Mr Heathcoat-Amory has also published a devastating indictment of the
negotiations.

Both MPs claim the committee was kept in the dark, its views ignored and
objections overruled. Their decision to speak out is a massive blow to Mr
Blair’s refusal to allow a referendum on the surge towards a Euro superstate.

But Mrs Stuart scathingly compared the proposed blueprint to a 50-year-old
unroadworthy Mini unsuitable for the 21st Century EU.

She warned the plan is packed with political timebombs which the Brussels elite
will use to destroy nation states by stealth.

She said: "This Constitution initiates processes for future development with
the aim of deeper integration. Where the political climate means certain ideas
for future integration are not yet acceptable, the draft Constitution creates
the structure for a process to develop later."

Mrs Stuart raised the alarm about backdoor moves to give Brussels control over
Britain’s tax system and end the UK’s rebate from EU coffers of up to £5billion
a year.

She highlighted moves to create a European Public Prosecutor and give the
European Court of Justice new powers to make the law in Britain.The Sun has led
warnings that the Constitution will give Brussels a hold over Britain’s tax,
defence, foreign, employment, economic, criminal and social policies.

The Queen faces being replaced as head of State and Brussels would get control
over North Sea oil.

Ministers have tried to dismiss the Constitution as a tidying-up exercise while
the PM has insisted it will not mean major constitutional change.

But Mrs Stuart destroyed both arguments.

She suggested Mr Blair should hold a referendum or at least give MPs a free
vote.

She pointed out that signing up to a EU Constitution was not in Labour’s 2001
election manifesto.

And she warned Mr Blair not to ignore the Swedish No vote to join the euro
which showed many voters do not want greater EU integration.

She also expressed contempt for the key architect of the plan, former French
president Valery Giscard D’Estaing.

She told how her computer’s spell check came up with "discard" for Giscard — a
view she had "great sympathy with" at times.

She added: "He once told us, ‘This is what you have to do if you want the
people to build statues of you on horseback in the villages you all come from’."

She blasted Giscard for handing out the skeleton of the draft Constitution
in "brown envelopes", leaving people unaware who had written it.

And she revealed key changes were introduced late at night or in French.

Giscard even told the Slovenian representative his vote did not count because
he disagreed with him.

Mrs Stuart accused many MPs and MEPs on the convention of dubious motives like
seeking well-paid new jobs.

And she said a new Constitution was not vital for ten states, mainly eastern
European, to join the EU next year.

Finally she called for a new Secretary of State for Europe in the Cabinet and
EU Questions in the Commons because Brussels now plays such a large role in our
everyday life.

Tory Mr Heathcoat-Amory said: "All Tony Blair’s reassurances are not believed,
even by his own side.

"Gisela Stuart knows more about this European Constitution than anyone else in
the Labour Party.

"Tony Blair is either trying to fool the people or has been fooled himself into
signing away Britain’s sovereig
- Gość: mirmat Re: Niech ciemnota czyta (jezeli potrafi)cd IP: 64.7.158.* 09.12.03, 19:56
  
  "Tony Blair is either trying to fool the people or has been fooled himself into
  signing away Britain’s sovereignty. This underlines the argument for a
  referendum."
Gość: Camille~Pissarro Antycypacja IP: *.chello.pl 09.12.03, 20:28

Ale ja to wszystko antycypowałem , tu na tym Forum ( pod innym nick'iem )
A Blair rzeczywiście wyszedłby na głupa , gdyby podpisał tę kostytucje w
Brukseli ( po takiej analizie ) , zatem wszystko układa sie według mojego
scenariusz , tendencje odśrodkowe w EU sie nasilają.

"Człowiek nie wybiera sytuacji, ale musi jej sprostać"/A.Szczypiorski/
robert_de_molesme Re: Brytyjczycy o konstytucji 10.12.03, 15:31

legal.alien napisał:

> Nie wierze, zeby Brytyjczycy to zaakceptowali, co moze oznaczac koniec UE.

Zajrzyj LA do skrzynki z laski swojej.

pzdr

RdM
- legal.alien Re: Brytyjczycy o konstytucji 10.12.03, 16:44
  
  Juz odpowiedzialem

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